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    ENOUGH I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!

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    Default The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING ON THE
    ABF FREIGHT SYSTEM, INC.
    WAGE REDUCTION - JOB SECURITY PLAN


    http://tdu.org/files/ABFWageReductionAddendum.pdf

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    Taking A Stand!!!

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    Thank you for that! It at least clarifies some things, especially about calling back laid off workers and the wages snapping back if that is done.

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    Time To Start A Fire

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    Although I work for UPS Freight, I do like the Operating Ratio Snapback provision and the requirements that the employer cannot do inter-company transfers of money and the prohibition on starting any non-union entities. Makes me wonder if CF would still be around had this been implemented 20 years ago. In the meantime, let's move the freight ABF brothers/sisters AND SHOW CONJOBWAY AND FRAUDEX HOW A REAL UNION FREIGHT HAULER WORKS!

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    I Am Rocking Now

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    Quote Originally Posted by nickelplaterick View Post
    Although I work for UPS Freight, I do like the Operating Ratio Snapback provision and the requirements that the employer cannot do inter-company transfers of money and the prohibition on starting any non-union entities. Makes me wonder if CF would still be around had this been implemented 20 years ago. In the meantime, let's move the freight ABF brothers/sisters AND SHOW CONJOBWAY AND FRAUDEX HOW A REAL UNION FREIGHT HAULER WORKS!


    You didn't say how well you like all the other things that this wonderful agreement has to offer.

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    Life is Good

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    I think another big difference is ABF seems interested in staying in business. CF not so much. (Oh! we can't secure our insurance! we even said please! Oh well we tried! Hope you all had a nice holiday weekend with your families because it just got longer) The message from Brinko still kills me!

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    You all are not seeing the entire picture. Read all the papers you were given. Even the hand outs your local that they brought back from Chicago. Then after reading the hand outs read number 20 of the concession agreement. If you still don't see the whole picture PM me and I will go step by step with you. My local is up in arms now that they have seen the Teamsters update paper LIE. Elk you speak as though you have been around. So you should grab the intent right away. And as for the snap backs they would be a moot point in the whole scheme of things. Nickle you even liked the part where if ABF calls 20% or more of the laid off Teamsters back we snap back to top rate? Do you think that would ever happen? After all they would be right back at what they call a disadvantage. BAD DEAL GUYS LET IT GO VOTE NO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MULER View Post
    You all are not seeing the entire picture. Read all the papers you were given. Even the hand outs your local that they brought back from Chicago. Then after reading the hand outs read number 20 of the concession agreement. If you still don't see the whole picture PM me and I will go step by step with you. My local is up in arms now that they have seen the Teamsters update paper LIE. Elk you speak as though you have been around. So you should grab the intent right away. And as for the snap backs they would be a moot point in the whole scheme of things. Nickle you even liked the part where if ABF calls 20% or more of the laid off Teamsters back we snap back to top rate? Do you think that would ever happen? After all they would be right back at what they call a disadvantage. BAD DEAL GUYS LET IT GO VOTE NO!
    Sounds to me like they are leaving the door wide open for the aquisition of a regionally based company. They have touched on that idea in ther past. Started out with the idea of growing internally with the PSE employees and the RPM programs. Then they talked that if the price was right aquiring a regional carrier was not off the table. Remember the Holland rumor? So yes, we should stay sharp, ask questions and not be a bunch of sheep. But, I am not going to run on and on and tell everyone how to vote. To me it is no different that the IBT telling us to vote a certain way. I hold the view of "here is the information read it and decide for yourself". Your choice! Own your decision.
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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    At the end of the day every man will vote the way he wants. No matter what he is told. All I can do is put out the information as I come across it. If number 20 doesn't speak volumes to you then I guess nothing will. First they are supposed to be a failing company. Then why put such an agreement in a concession package? Then that number 20 agreement tells you that ABF and the Teamsters have an agreement on something that is not in plain view in the concession agreement. If you read everything they have passed out you would have read where they will be given the right to remove Upack and Relocubes from the authority of ABF and the NMFA Teamsters. If you look close at the U-Pack sheet they speak of A NEW SUBSIDIARY called MOVING SOLUTIONS. Funny a money strapped company can afford to start new companies! Also notice how they say ABF is not a hhg licensed carrier. But for this new Division they bought the hhg license and also purchased the freight forwarder license. Just pointing out the facts as they come in. Their new company can haul freight and do full moving company business.They are not even considering a regional carrier now. Just think a new freight company not connected to the NMFA or the multi employer pension funds. Don't forget about the other company this money troubled ABC company started FREIGHT VALUE. And please don't forget whose money paid for all this ABF. After all we are responsible for 94% of ABC;s business. Just facts. NO BS here. BROTHER! Why would number 20 be in this agreement? Any type of new business creation is covered unde article 20 sec-2 of the NMFA. YOUR BROTHER ALWAYS!
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    Could you point out where it is mentioned about Upack and relocubes can be removed from the authority of ABF and teamster work other than in a marketing partner situation which we already do with Upack? I have already looked into Moving Solutions and Movebuilder.
    Make no mistake Brother. I do appreciate the information you put out there. Keep it coming!

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    Default Re: The ABF 15 page proposed Memorandum

    Quote Originally Posted by Elk222 View Post
    Could you point out where it is mentioned about Upack and relocubes can be removed from the authority of ABF and teamster work other than in a marketing partner situation which we already do with Upack? I have already looked into Moving Solutions and Movebuilder.
    Make no mistake Brother. I do appreciate the information you put out there. Keep it coming!
    I don't know if your Local gave you the paper or not. But if you look in the top left hand corner it will say U-PACK. It reads A new subsidiary of Arkansas Best Corporation called Moving Solutions Inc was formed to target the the full service moving market. Then as you have already read about MoveBuilder. They transport the household belongings. And load and unload. Thus the only time we would be of any use would be when they had no SCAB coming to our cities. The key point to this sheet is
    #1- They talk about how we the ABF part of the company does not have a HHG license. But they go on to say that they have acquired a HHG license for Moving Solutions. A little suspicious would you not say?

    #2- And this one is so suttle but yet speaks volumes when you see it. At the bottom of the said page there is a place for each and every Local to sign off. But dont''t let that fool you. No sir because it will all be part of the concession agreement. Because it was entered into the packsge. Now Elk you and I both know business is business. How would you and I run U-PACK by NMFA Teamsters or BY SCABS and later if need be by newly formed non NMFA Teamsters not associated to the Muti Employer pension fund or Teamsters not being paid NMFA wages? If you don't have this paper I will fax you a copy.

 

 
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