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    Default ABF lawsuit dismissed

    Today's ruling from the hearing to dismiss.
    Teamsters Applaud Dismissal of ABF Suit | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

    I guess Tyson has now decided we are not a part of the NMFA, I have to admit though that I feel that this means we should be left alone until 2013 at least.



    Quote Originally Posted by wolf View Post
    But...But..Aw shoot I'm in trouble already. OK Dad but don't yell at me If I get yelled at for sticking my nose in the ABF thread.
    wolf: I started that thread to get a feel and debate going to see what the ABF teamsters felt. Wolf this contract may effect both YRC and ABF Teamsters. I do think ABF will have a big advantage with the lawsuit being open and out there. I think ABF will try and use it to their advantage doing contact talks. This is just my opinion but i think the IBT will give up some things to get it dropped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truxforever View Post
    wolf: I started that thread to get a feel and debate going to see what the ABF teamsters felt. Wolf this contract may effect both YRC and ABF Teamsters. I do think ABF will have a big advantage with the lawsuit being open and out there. I think ABF will try and use it to their advantage doing contact talks. This is just my opinion but i think the IBT will give up some things to get it dropped.
    The YRC-ABF court ruling should be out before the ABF contract. ABF was just buying time and they got plenty of that. Unlikely ABF could win but the IBT will do what they have to do to make them both competitive

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    The YRC-ABF court ruling should be out before the ABF contract. ABF was just buying time and they got plenty of that. Unlikely ABF could win but the IBT will do what they have to do to make them both competitive
    bean: What makes you so sure they (ABF) can't win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truxforever View Post
    bean: What makes you so sure they (ABF) can't win?
    Because ABF wanted out of the NMFA so chose not to negotiate with TMI as YRC did. Instead negotiated with TNFINC on their own. It backfired when Tyson had them sign a 'me too'

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Because ABF wanted out of the NMFA so chose not to negotiate with TMI as YRC did. Instead negotiated with TNFINC on their own. It backfired when Tyson had them sign a 'me too'
    bean: Yrc did not negotiate with TMI (Trucking Management Inc). They hired TMI to negotiate for the YRC companies with TNFINC ( The Teamsters National Freight Industry Negotiating Committee) which represents the union. This has nothing to do with the me to agreement they were forced to sign by TNFINC or Tyson like you say ABF tried to negotiate for themself and not let TMI negotiate for them. TNFINC was who they tried to negotiate with, which Tyson Johnson is the co-chairman of. Jimmy Hoffa is the chairman of TNFINC which is the IBT (Union). There is only one NMFA so don't be to sure of things.
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    Default Re: ABF lawsuit dismissed

    “ABF needs to realize that it cannot circumvent the negotiating and ratification process through the courts,” added Tyson Johnson, Director of the Teamsters National Freight Division. “We negotiated with ABF in good faith earlier this year, reaching an agreement that was overwhelmingly rejected by its employees. ABF should concentrate on freight pick-up and delivery operations of its company rather than trying to put YRCW out of business through litigation and other means. We are pleased that Judge Wright dismissed this lawsuit because it removes an impediment to YRCW’s restructuring efforts.
    Quote from the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2631 View Post
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    It is significant to note that, consistent with its right to engage in separate negotiations for a separate contract ABF did in fact negotiate several memoranda for inclusion in its contract which memoranda are not part of the TMI NMFA
    Does anyone have any idea what McCall is referring to? What memoranda does ABF have in it's contract that are not a part of the NMFA? And why didn't we have the right to vote on it?

    Teamsters Applaud Dismissal of ABF Suit | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

    “We have said all along that ABF took itself out of the National Master Freight Agreement and therefore has no right to bring the suit,” said Brad Raymond, Teamsters General Counsel.

    IMO it is in the best interests of the ABF NMFA Teamsters that the lawsuit was dismissed. I may end up being wrong but that's how I feel at this point. But McCall's letter to the court and the IBT's press release leave some questions unanswered.

    If ABF took itself out of the NMFA then what contract have we been working under for the past 2 years? And what "memoranda" did ABF negotiate that is not part of the TMI NMFA?

    I'm sitting here trying to find anything in my little green copy of the 2008-2013 NATIONAL MASTER FREIGHT AGREEMENT AND NEW JERSEY-NEW YORK GENERAL TRUCKING SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT that would answer my questions. I'm not going to waste my time reading the entire book because I don't have a seperate ABF contract to compare it with.

    The strange thing about this is that my book, whick took a year to be printed, still lists Bob Davidson (Co-Chairman) and Nick Picarello as being on the TMI NMFA negotiating committee for the employer. They are listed right there with Mike Smid (Co-Chairman) Lamar Beinhower and 9 other employer negotiators.

    It also lists those same names representing Trucking Management, Inc. Motor Freight Carriers Assoc., Inc. as employer negotiators for the NJ-NY Area Supplement.

    Since it's Hoffa & co's claim that ABF isn't part of the TMI NMFA and has it's own contract, they why were we not notified and allowed to vote on a seperate ABF contract. And after us waiting all that time for our copies of the contract to be printed, why couldn't the IBT at least supply us with an accurate copy?

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    bean: Yrc did not negotiate with TMI (Trucking Management Inc). They hired TMI to negotiate for the YRC companies with TNFINC ( The Teamsters National Freight Industry Negotiating Committee) which represents the union. This has nothing to do with the me to agreement they were forced to sign by TNFINC or Tyson like you say ABF tried to negotiate for themself and not let TMI negotiate for them. TNFINC was who they tried to negotiate with, which Tyson Johnson is the co-chairman of. Jimmy Hoffa is the chairman of TNFINC which is the IBT (Union). There is only one NMFA so don't be to sure of things.
    Okay, YRC teamsters on behalf of TNFINC negotiated with TMI (sorry bout that) The fact that ABF refused to be a part of that negotiation proved to be ABF's down fall. TMI negotiates the NMFA..if you're not a part of it you are required to sign a me too but it doesn't make you a party to it. This technicality is huge. ABF tried to be a smart a$$. The court agreed and will agree again

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Okay, YRC teamsters on behalf of TNFINC negotiated with TMI (sorry bout that) The fact that ABF refused to be a part of that negotiation proved to be ABF's down fall. TMI negotiates the NMFA..if you're not a part of it you are required to sign a me too but it doesn't make you a party to it. This technicality is huge. ABF tried to be a smart a$$. The court agreed and will agree again
    So New Penn signed a me too agreement, that means New Penn is not part of the NMFA. So all of the givebacks given to YRC dose not apply to them right? New Penn teamsters should be at full scale and not effected. Did you think the Union would come out and say ABF was a part of the NMFA? Don"t trust everything the IBT comes out with, in the end there is only one NMFA. In the past YRC signed me to agreements and there was only one NMFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truxforever View Post
    So New Penn signed a me too agreement, that means New Penn is not part of the NMFA. So all of the givebacks given to YRC dose not apply to them right? New Penn teamsters should be at full scale and not effected. Did you think the Union would come out and say ABF was a part of the NMFA? Don"t trust everything the IBT comes out with, in the end there is only one NMFA. In the past YRC signed me to agreements and there was only one NMFA.
    Signing a 'me too' only means you agree to the terms of the NMFA. There are so many freight agreements it is ridiculous. There is a 10 driver teamster freight company in Cranston RI..Smith Transportation. They do three states. I would bet it's not ABF-YRC NMFA. But yes there is only one NMFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truxforever View Post
    So New Penn signed a me too agreement, that means New Penn is not part of the NMFA. So all of the givebacks given to YRC dose not apply to them right? New Penn teamsters should be at full scale and not effected. Did you think the Union would come out and say ABF was a part of the NMFA? Don"t trust everything the IBT comes out with, in the end there is only one NMFA. In the past YRC signed me to agreements and there was only one NMFA.
    In 2009 New Penn Teamsters were a seperate voting group when YRCW was forcing the second wage reduction and pension freeze on us. Holland and YRC voted as one group. Suspicious? Yes but IBT could not care less. We were told by our locals if we turned down the 2009 MOU we would immediately be merged with YRC. Too bad the sheep among us didn't call their bluff then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mai Tai View Post
    In 2009 New Penn Teamsters were a seperate voting group when YRCW was forcing the second wage reduction and pension freeze on us. Holland and YRC voted as one group. Suspicious? Yes but IBT could not care less. We were told by our locals if we turned down the 2009 MOU we would immediately be merged with YRC. Too bad the sheep among us didn't call their bluff then.
    Thank the sheep you're still flying the new Penn Flag cuz if you called New Penn would have ceased to exist

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    I think it was a bluff just like if Chicago didn't vote yes, they were shutting down. Well they (YRC) are still open. New Penn makes too much money, without it YRC would have closed a long time ago. They will ride that to the end.

 

 

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