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    Default Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    I work in Kansas City. I am trying to Figure this whole pay cut/layoff/ slow/busy/not hiring/hiring/ YRC going under/ now ABF Kc will only hire YRC guys thing out. The IBT wants to support the YRC guys? Vote yes on Concessions to save your jobs and pensions etc. Okay ABF guys Vote yes for the very same reasons, we see a need, however we vote it down, then we seem to recover quickly nationwide, layoffs are called back, new hires come on suddenly at a rapid pace. I am grateful! However, am confused at why we are groomed to support the YRC cause yet wonder why the IBT and Local here in KC seem to be pushing ABf to hire the YRC employees that they encouraged to vote yes on concessions, etc? ABF is putting these guys on that are on active seniority, they are quitting to come to ABF? Throwing in the towel? makes no sense to me why the local and guys who vote to save the company would push ABF to hire? Are we getting guys in the door who caved once to vote for concessions only to turn around and do it again at a new employer? Are we looking at under the table BS? why would these guys fight so hard then leave? why would the union promote saving YRC so much then promote leaving and going to the better place? Seems like upper IBT people would not like this or it would cause issues within the ranks of YRC teamsters who did not have an "in" at the union or an "out" of yrc!!!

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    Hiring YRC guys would be a advantage to ABF just because they would not require much training at all. And basically could be put in the truck or on the dock from day one with out spending any money for training. Of course that is my opinion.


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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by iam4us View Post
    I work in Kansas City. I am trying to Figure this whole pay cut/layoff/ slow/busy/not hiring/hiring/ YRC going under/ now ABF Kc will only hire YRC guys thing out. The IBT wants to support the YRC guys? Vote yes on Concessions to save your jobs and pensions etc. Okay ABF guys Vote yes for the very same reasons, we see a need, however we vote it down, then we seem to recover quickly nationwide, layoffs are called back, new hires come on suddenly at a rapid pace. I am grateful! However, am confused at why we are groomed to support the YRC cause yet wonder why the IBT and Local here in KC seem to be pushing ABf to hire the YRC employees that they encouraged to vote yes on concessions, etc? ABF is putting these guys on that are on active seniority, they are quitting to come to ABF? Throwing in the towel? makes no sense to me why the local and guys who vote to save the company would push ABF to hire? Are we getting guys in the door who caved once to vote for concessions only to turn around and do it again at a new employer? Are we looking at under the table BS? why would these guys fight so hard then leave? why would the union promote saving YRC so much then promote leaving and going to the better place? Seems like upper IBT people would not like this or it would cause issues within the ranks of YRC teamsters who did not have an "in" at the union or an "out" of yrc!!!
    You are on at ABF,that is a good thing..If a guy that is at YRC that is only getting 85% of the hourly rate and now after having no pension payments for the last 18 months and will only get 25% pension credit for the next four years gets a chance to get on with ABF who from what I believe is still at top pay,why wouldn't he jump ship..In most cases they would be in the same local..Would you rather see ABF hire guys that are coming from non-union jobs ??In my opinion it would be a no brainier..Besides like Jimmy posted ABF is getting top trained professionals..

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    Hiring YRC guys would be a advantage to ABF just because they would not require much training at all. And basically could be put in the truck or on the dock from day one with out spending any money for training. Of course that is my opinion.


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    And to this I have been saying all along. You have guys that are already union smart knowing what they can and can't do plus maybe bring some leads or freight over with them. So why in the hell does it take them so long to get back to full scale. I'm sure they didn't forget how to drive truck or work the dock when they made the switch. I can understand maybe a 30 day new company training but this is one of few union trades that you start off just the same as if they hired someone with zero experience, it's just not right. Just my two cents worth and not sure it's worth that much.

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    tiredseat, I did not know the pay scale worked like that in the union! See, you guys are always teaching me something new!

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by ABFwife View Post
    tiredseat, I did not know the pay scale worked like that in the union! See, you guys are always teaching me something new!
    Yes when you start you start at 75% or 80% and you have to progress to full scale. I will double check on this and let you know but I'm sure someone here knows off the top of their head. I have other things right now that is on the mind sorry for being so stupid right now.

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    I guess I am just looking at it from a "suspect", "negative" point which can be a fault of mine. Thank you for your input. Hopefully they do bring leads and expertise to our company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredseat View Post
    Yes when you start you start at 75% or 80% and you have to progress to full scale. I will double check on this and let you know but I'm sure someone here knows off the top of their head. I have other things right now that is on the mind sorry for being so stupid right now.
    Not stupid at all and I know you are dealing with huge situations right now with the floods. I knew that new guys coming in that were not union had this pay scale, just like my husband had to do but didn't know a guy could go from YRC to ABF and have to start at the bottom again. That sure doesn't seem right!

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by iam4us View Post
    I guess I am just looking at it from a "suspect", "negative" point which can be a fault of mine. Thank you for your input. Hopefully they do bring leads and expertise to our company.
    I can see your point too. I think we can all be a bit suspicious with everything that has happened in the union freight industry the last several years.

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    Default Re: Can someone answer this question and help me understand?

    Pay scales are generally in place to test the longevity value of an employee.
    I think our scale takes 4 years to get at top scale.
    Generally a flaky employee won't last 4 years (especially in trucking), and that minimizes the cost risk for the employer.

 

 
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