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    Thumbs up Anti-Union opinion from columnist

    Here's an article that have been publish inthe Highgway Stars magazine in january 2010, follow by my reply to that d/a:




    Written by Steve Macleod and posted on the Highway Star website.
    Jan/5/2010
    Whatever short-term gains a labour union wins for its members is unlikely to have any long-term significance for the employees.

    No matter what the outcome of a labour strike is, neither side will ever really be happy again.

    The longer a strike goes on, employees feel less valued in the work they did before, and employers assume their workers didn't really care about the job in the first place. Just the pay cheque. ...

    Now here's Mule reply:


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    Subject: An Unhappy Union!!
    Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 1835 +0000


    Who do you think you are Mr Macleod by having a such lack of judgement like that about the Teamsters campaign over Challenger ? Where's your impartiality? Where's your journalism integrity? Do you know that there's two side on a medal??

    Before spitting on Drivers, Mens an Womens, that have enough guts an balls to stand-up in front of a major corporation like Cmf and in front of someone powerfull as Mr Einweichter is ( by the way how much did he pay you for holding a such discours, he sure now owe you one), you an all the others peoples that aren't agree with that, you should have a seat an watch, ask yourself why that happen? Do you really think that happen just like that? Do you think that someone woke-up one morning an ask hiself: humm what can i do today? Hey why not organise Cmf, that will keep me an my friends busy!

    When you write down that article you haven't done your work in a professional manner. Have you talk with drivers involve with that? Have you talk with Teamsters? Have you take time to sit an think about-it? Why this happen now at this time? Why it didn't happen in the previous years? What are the impacts for the Mens an Womens involved? What will be the impact on the whole trucking industry coast to coast. You sure not! Even if your position is against Teamsters, you would have a different look at it. According to you, today there's no need for Teamsters, well let me ask you on what planet do you live on?
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    Last edited by x475; 07-31-2011 at 07:49 PM. Reason: shortened quote to three parapagraphs, removed full name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mule Bleue View Post
    Those Mans an Womens have "COURAGE" but that word is certainly not part of your vocabulary. Once again, you an all the others, should have the greatest RESPECT for all the Mens an Womens who have the guts an balls to stand-up to improve theirs working conditions, an quality of life. You should also give to those Mens an Womens A BIG HAND! They deserve-it

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    And what ever hapenned to Mr Macleod anyway?

    Did he have a clue about what he was talking about?

    If he was so... moved by the fact that Teamsters was asked to help drivers at this magnificent company, why didnt he follow up after this crap he vomited in the magazine?

    Could it be that he was , "helping" out one of his "valued customer"?

    How much money does challenger spent a year in publicity, and adds etc?

    Do you think that after spending all this cash in most of the trucking publications, they will do "unfavorable" (in einwechter's eyes) articles about their customers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner View Post
    Do you think that after spending all this cash in most of the trucking publications, they will do "unfavorable" (in einwechter's eyes) articles about their customers?
    That's the problem with all of these trucking publications. They're clearly in the transport companies pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner View Post
    And what ever hapenned to Mr Macleod anyway?

    Did he have a clue about what he was talking about?

    If he was so... moved by the fact that Teamsters was asked to help drivers at this magnificent company, why didnt he follow up after this crap he vomited in the magazine?

    Could it be that he was , "helping" out one of his "valued customer"?

    How much money does challenger spent a year in publicity, and adds etc?

    Do you think that after spending all this cash in most of the trucking publications, they will do "unfavorable" (in einwechter's eyes) articles about their customers?
    Taking each question in turn:

    1. Who cares, as long as he's not writing anti-union propaganda?

    2. NO!

    3. Because that's all the ammo he had...now he's shooting blanks!! LOL

    4. Sure...he was under the desk...

    5. Probably a lot more than most of the employees will ever make, that's for sure.

    5. Companies figure that the money is well spent since they won't pay higher wages and benefits if they're successful in not having their workforce organized. They forget that it leads to a) happier, more productive employees because of the benefit and wage improvements; b) less turnover because of the same reason; c) less training costs since there's less turnover, and so on. There's several good reasons for having a union, and others are mentioned in this sub-forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicDave173 View Post

    5. Companies figure that the money is well spent since they won't pay higher wages and benefits if they're successful in not having their workforce organized.

    They forget that it leads to a) happier, more productive employees because of the benefit and wage improvements; b) less turnover because of the same reason; c) less training costs since there's less turnover, and so on.
    Happy, productive employees that stay at the company !!!!

    What sort of madness is this ?

    What you just posted makes perfect sense to me. Obviously it doesn't make sense on the company spreadsheet.

    I imagine that the company sees it a different way. Get a government subsidy 4 hiring drivers out of a training school. New drivers are less likely to try and organize.

    We all know that most new drivers cost a company more in damage and late charges. I imagine that the bottom line of the spreadsheet shows it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevil View Post
    Happy, productive employees that stay at the company !!!!

    What sort of madness is this ?

    What you just posted makes perfect sense to me. Obviously it doesn't make sense on the company spreadsheet.
    Here at Tropicana, we have employees that are near their fourth decade of tenure...plenty who have over 30 years. I'm on almost 15 years myself.

    In the Bradenton and Fort Pierce areas, working for Trop is considered to be a "good catch", with the higher wages and greater benefits they offer. And they would not be offering them were we not with the Teamsters. At our plant we have consistently ranked in the top 2 or 3 of our division since 2007.

    Sometimes having the union in a plant can raise the bar, not lower it like most companies claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicDave173 View Post
    Sometimes having the union in a plant can raise the bar, not lower it like most companies claim.
    Agree with you.

    One of the "anti union" driver who refused to be in a union at dorval, one who didnt want to hear about union.
    The same guy who complained to managment that Mule was a pita because he was pushing teamsters in dorval.

    Well as soon he saw an opening at Molson, (Teamsters) he applied and got the job.

    Much better paid, pension plan etc.
    Now, he will be a proud Teamsters union member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner View Post
    Agree with you.

    One of the "anti union" driver who refused to be in a union at dorval, one who didnt want to hear about union.
    The same guy who complained to managment that Mule was a pita because he was pushing teamsters in dorval.

    Well as soon he saw an opening at Molson, (Teamsters) he applied and got the job.

    Much better paid, pension plan etc.
    Now, he will be a proud Teamsters union member.
    We had the opposite happen here. An electrician, one of the higher-paid employees, decided that he didn't want to pay the dues, and didn't need the union. He got fired last week for a bad f***-up in a control cabinet, too bad the union won't be as much in his corner as it would have been had he stayed in. Sucks to be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicDave173 View Post
    Here at Tropicana, we have employees that are near their fourth decade of tenure...plenty who have over 30 years. I'm on almost 15 years myself.

    In the Bradenton and Fort Pierce areas, working for Trop is considered to be a "good catch", with the higher wages and greater benefits they offer. And they would not be offering them were we not with the Teamsters. At our plant we have consistently ranked in the top 2 or 3 of our division since 2007.

    Sometimes having the union in a plant can raise the bar, not lower it like most companies claim.
    I agree. I think that there would certainly be a period of adjustment but if "everyone" worked togeather to make fair deal on both sides then in time it could be as it is at your company.

    You have long term employees, decent wages and benefits because of a union and the company is still in business

    Imagine that.

 

 
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