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    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0...-examiner.html
    CONCORD, N.H. — In the state morgue here, in the industrial maze of a hospital basement, Dr. Thomas A. Andrew was slicing through the lung of a 36-year-old woman when white foam seeped out onto the autopsy table.
    Foam in the lungs is a sign of acute intoxication caused by an opioid. So is a swollen brain, which she also had. But Dr. Andrew, the chief medical examiner of New Hampshire, would not be certain of the cause of death until he could rule out other causes, like a brain aneurysm or foul play, and until after the woman’s blood tests had come back.
    With the nation snared in what the government says is the worst drug epidemic in its history, routine autopsies like this one, which take more than two hours, are overtaxing medical examiners everywhere.
    “It’s almost as if the Visigoths are at the gates, and the gates are starting to crumble,” Dr. Andrew said. “I’m not an alarmist by nature, but this is not overhyped. It has completely overwhelmed us.”


    As Dr. Andrew, an energetic man of 60 who, with his close-cropped gray beard, resembles the actor Richard Dreyfuss, has watched the drug toll mount, he is no longer content simply to catalog it. He wants to try, in his own small way, to stop it.



    After laboring here as the chief forensic pathologist for two decades, exploring the mysteries of the dead, he retired last month to explore the mysteries of the soul. In a sharp career turn, he is entering a seminary program to pursue a divinity degree, and ultimately plans to minister to young people to stay away from drugs.

    “After seeing thousands of sudden, unexpected or violent deaths,” Dr. Andrew said, “I have found it impossible not to ponder the spiritual dimension of these events for both the deceased and especially those left behind.”
    Hopefully he finds what he is looking for....prayers go out to him and the others who are leaving from the story.

    Where does the stuff come from to make opioids?
    The Poppy?
    Afghanistan?
    China?


    Until we fix our war problems and trade problems.....this will be difficult to fix....we are up against a lot of evil money and spirits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slavenomore View Post
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0...-examiner.html


    Hopefully he finds what he is looking for....prayers go out to him and the others who are leaving from the story.

    Where does the stuff come from to make opioids?
    The Poppy?
    Afghanistan?
    China?
    The flower Papaver somniferous, or opium poppy, is the source for all drugs called opiates. The substances extracted from the plant to manufacture of opioid drugs include morphine, thebaine and codeine.
    Grown in southeastern Europe and western Asia, and are now widely cultivated in Europe, Asia, China, and North Africa for their seeds, which are used in baking, as a condiment, and for their edible oil.

    Until we fix our war problems and trade problems.....this will be difficult to fix....we are up against a lot of evil money and spirits.
    This country, and around the world, there have been drug problems for hundreds of years. Some came from natural sources, others synthesized.
    The old timer that had a still to produce clear moonshine isn't any different then those that pick buds from a plant. You are altering your mind and body. I don't believe war and trade problems have any influence on the drug culture.
    It's seems to be human nature to seek substances for that mind altering effect.
    Cigarettes, tobacco in any form, alcohol are legal, but still detrimental to the human body.
    Yet we still use it to excess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    The flower Papaver somniferous, or opium poppy, is the source for all drugs called opiates. The substances extracted from the plant to manufacture of opioid drugs include morphine, thebaine and codeine.
    Grown in southeastern Europe and western Asia, and are now widely cultivated in Europe, Asia, China, and North Africa for their seeds, which are used in baking, as a condiment, and for their edible oil.

    This country, and around the world, there have been drug problems for hundreds of years. Some came from natural sources, others synthesized.
    The old timer that had a still to produce clear moonshine isn't any different then those that pick buds from a plant. You are altering your mind and body. I don't believe war and trade problems have any influence on the drug culture.
    It's seems to be human nature to seek substances for that mind altering effect.
    Cigarettes, tobacco in any form, alcohol are legal, but still detrimental to the human body.
    Yet we still use it to excess.
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    Take a country like Afghanistan,their biggest export is opioids ..One has to wonder how much that government is involved with it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
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    Take a country like Afghanistan,their biggest export is opioids ..One has to wonder how much that government is involved with it..
    Might want to browse the web and read a few stories that dispute what you claim.
    Here is just one that lists the Czech Republic as the number one seed producing country. Afghanistan isn't even on the list.
    ( The difference being the amount of seed exported, versus the number of acres under cultivation. )
    https://top5ofanything.com/list/dcaa...cing-Countries

    However I saw a couple of sites that listed Afghanistan as a major producer.
    Not according to other sites that list all countries major exports.

    Either way, you'll never stop a poor farmer from cultivating a product that returns a higher price so he may care for and feed his family.

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    I think that is a sad and faithless answer. All things are possible.
    If we believe that we will surely never stop it because we have given up before even starting.......faith as small as a mustarde seed can produce huge things.
    If we can stop steel from being made in Bethlehem. We can stop this deadly opioid stuff from coming in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavenomore View Post
    I think that is a sad and faithless answer. All things are possible.
    If we believe that we will surely never stop it because we have given up before even starting.......faith as small as a mustarde seed can produce huge things.
    If we can stop steel from being made in Bethlehem. We can stop this deadly opioid stuff from coming in.
    The war on drugs ... remember that ?
    It didn't work after spending over a TRILLION dollars of our tax money.
    So long as people feel destitute and hopelessness, the feeling that a cigarette, alcohol or drugs provides them an escape from reality.

    Do you smoke ... or drink ?
    Vices to say the least, and not necessary for life. ( IMO )
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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    The war on drugs ... remember that ?
    It didn't work after spending over a TRILLION dollars of our tax money.
    So long as people feel destitute and hopelessness, the feeling that a cigarette, alcohol or drugs provides them an escape from reality.

    Do you smoke ... or drink ?
    Vices to say the least, and not necessary for life. ( IMO )
    Opioids are not necessary. They kill people instantly.
    Hopelessness and destitute are not the only reasons......Kings have probably used them too....and tribal leaders..
    I do smoke....but they are doing things to stop smoking in every possible way...and the trillions is also being spent there.....Latest attack on smoking is at my DOT physical.
    Now smokers are required to blow in a tube and make the line on the computer graph go up to a certain level 3 times or fail and not drive....ridiculous.
    Nobody needs to breathe like that to drive a truck or do any kind of work unless you are scuba diving without a tank.
    Tril;lions on nonsense......but they don't give up.
    I probably won't pass that test next year....more lost money.......

    Cigarettes and opioids and alcohol and pot are all different....some have much worse things they do to society very quickly...in an instant...............and these opioids must be stopped..............some people live very long lives smoking...I recently posted that the oldest man in the nation is 111 and he smokes 12 cigars a day.
    And he drinks booze regularly...I highly doubt opioid users live that long if used regularly like that.

    The war on drugs might work...but not if defeatist attitudes prevail.....nor if the same people making off of brining it here are tied to the same people assigned to bust them.
    If market can put steel mills under so as to put them in cheaper countries....and many other businesses...than market can also stop the availability of other things...such as opioids....Heroin....to pharmaceutical grade stuff. The topdogs of this world have done it to many things ruining many peoples lives....they can use that same stuff to ruin the lives of the opiod industry....to the farmers. businessmen and workers who make money off of it.
    They may move onto something new....but this one needs stopping now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    The war on drugs ... remember that ?
    It didn't work after spending over a TRILLION dollars of our tax money.
    So long as people feel destitute and hopelessness, the feeling that a cigarette, alcohol or drugs provides them an escape from reality.

    Do you smoke ... or drink ?
    Vices to say the least, and not necessary for life. ( IMO )
    I had this discussion with someone close to me recently. Why does everyone need a vice to deal with life? Is that where we are at now? The only way someone can deal with daily life is to drink, smoke, overeat or use drugs? The person i was having the discussion with said yes. These are good given gifts. I would have to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFwife View Post
    I had this discussion with someone close to me recently. Why does everyone need a vice to deal with life? Is that where we are at now? The only way someone can deal with daily life is to drink, smoke, overeat or use drugs? The person i was having the discussion with said yes. These are good given gifts. I would have to disagree.
    Man over the last several thousand years has used all matter of substances for either the feeling, the euphoria or spiritual reasons.
    Nothing new.
    I still contend it's human nature and the way our minds have developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Man over the last several thousand years has used all matter of substances for either the feeling, the euphoria or spiritual reasons.
    Nothing new.
    I still contend it's human nature and the way our minds have developed.
    In my lifetime I have watched way too many addictions ruin people in my family or near to my family. Just not worth it IMO.
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