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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    A long campaign. Just like fxstc07 said. They blasted the workers with anti union propaganda.

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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    A long campaign. Just like fxstc07 said. They blasted the workers with anti union propaganda.

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    Yes they did! I found this today, after the fact but very interesting to read about the tactics the companies will use to convince people they don't need a union.

    Boeing Workers Face “Constant Barrage of Misinformation” Ahead of Union Vote
    “It’s just a constant barrage—any opportunity they’ve had, they’ve hit us with [an] anti-union message,” says Randy Toler, a worker.
    “A normal day consists of, you go to work, you’ll hear something anti-union at your morning meeting, there will be some [literature] handed out, so when you take your breaks in the break area they've got the TVs running and they play anti-union commercials throughout the day, and you top that off when you get home. You've got the [anti-union] commercials, radio and TV, and then you check your mailbox and you've got [anti-union literature] in your mailbox,” says Elliott Slater, another worker.

    One prominent example of the company’s anti-union campaign was a recent breakroom display of $800 worth of diapers and children’s clothes. As Toler explains, “They’re trying to say, ‘This represents your [annual] union dues. You can buy all this stuff had you not paid union dues.’ My response back to that is why don’t they show you the house that you would have been able to make a down payment on because you would have gotten higher wages because you belong to the union?”

    Coincidentally, $800 is about the difference in monthly wages between union and nonunion workers nationwide, according to a recent report by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
    This difference in wages between union and non union I can tell you from experience is way off. It is much higher at least in the freight industry.

    Boeing Workers Face “Constant Barrage of Misinformation” Ahead of Union Vote - Working In These Times

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    The anti-union lies are ridiculous. Maybe the unions should petition the government that the members don't feel safe with the government buying airplanes from that facility. The ones from the Northwest are ok...but we just don't feel safe nor do we want tax dollars spent on the south Carolina facility which abuses it's employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFwife View Post
    I just don't get it.........
    If you watch a few old Amos,Andy, and Kingfisher clips on YouTube ....you might see a chunk of what the organizers deal with in SC...at least alot of the Mack hirees were sort of like that.
    and then there's the women just like them....and then the white guys who ain't much different.

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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    After this vote, my dad said he wasn't surprised. It may sound rude, but he knows some about the area. He said there's alot of black people in South Carolina who are very comfortable being taken care of. The masters played that role generations ago. And even though they were set free they never lost that mentality.. They stayed there. Never being educated about how to break them chains. I don't think transfers were involved in Boeing. So slowly things are happening. Very slowly. But if the 800 people who voted yes are native South Carolinians....that is progress.

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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    Some interesting quotes from an article about Boeing, the south Carolina plant and the reasons for Boeing's decidedly anti-union stance of late.
    Or as one of the lines says, The age of loyalty is dead.

    Many veteran Boeing workers say things changed after the company’s 1997 merger with McDonnell Douglas, which had a reputation for having a more-cutthroat corporate culture.
    “This is no longer your father’s company!”
    The merger made Boeing the world’s biggest aerospace company, and one much more focused on quarterly financial performance. That was a drastic change. For more than 50 years, Boeing had fostered a family culture in its machine shops, R&D labs and even the corner offices.
    In the months following the South Carolina announcement, Boeing executives publicly said they selected the state in large part for its non-union proclivity.
    The state offered about $450 million in incentives.
    Boeing’s early years in South Carolina were plenty painful. That pain was felt as far away as Everett, where workers put in overtime completing work not finished or re-doing assembly poorly done in North Charleston.
    It expected that an all-new factory in Charleston, with a new workforce, would cost about $1.5 billion more over time than it would if a second 787 assembly line was located in Everett, according to a presentation by Jim Albaugh, then head of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, on Oct. 26, 2009.

    So far, Boeing has spent $28.5 billion more than it has earned in revenue to deliver the first 370 Dreamliners.
    So Boeing picked Charleston knowing it would cost more to build aircraft there, over the long term, then if they just added another line to the Washington state assembly.
    Pay more forever, but keep the union out.
    Plus they got state incentives. ( the taxpayers bent over )
    They still haven't made a profit on those dreamliners, but they don't have the union.

    Great business acumen.

    The incalculable cost of Boeing’s South Carolina gamble | HeraldNet.com
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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    My brother in law has been working on the Dream liner for like the last ten years.. He is an engineer working for an American that has a contract with a company that has a contract with Boeing.. He has been living in Japan for the last ten years.. They make the fuselage or the wings of the jetliner. Then it is shipped here.. The two companies involved were Bombardier and Kawasaki.. You would think maybe if they made that crap here they would more than double their work force..
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    My brother in law has been working on the Dream liner for like the last ten years.. He is an engineer working for an American that has a contract with a company that has a contract with Boeing.. He has been living in Japan for the last ten years.. They make the fuselage or the wings of the jetliner. Then it is shipped here.. The two companies involved were Bombardier and Kawasaki.. You would think maybe if they made that crap here they would more than double their work force..
    Work visa? Get ahold of Trump. Maybe Japan will deport him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Work visa? Get ahold of Trump. Maybe Japan will deport him?

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    He is retiring this year ahead of those deportation hearings.. The money he made was absurd.. And as long as he made it there and restricted himself to how much time he spent in the states his earnings were not subject to US taxes.. He did pay Japanese tax.. He is the one I will be going to Hawaii to see in Sept.. His wife is from Hawaii.. They have no kids so it was easy to move to Japan..Trump made his Let'make it in America speech at the Boeing plant in SC . Wonder if he knows that most of the parts for that airplane come from over 100 countries worldwide.. But it did sound good.
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    Default Re: SC Gov. Haley takes anti-union message to Boeing workers

    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    He is retiring this year ahead of those deportation hearings.. The money he made was absurd.. And as long as he made it there and restricted himself to how much time he spent in the states his earnings were not subject to US taxes.. He did pay Japanese tax.. He is the one I will be going to Hawaii to see in Sept.. His wife is from Hawaii.. They have no kids so it was easy to move to Japan..Trump made his Let'make it in America speech at the Boeing plant in SC . Wonder if he knows that most of the parts for that airplane come from over 100 countries worldwide.. But it did sound good.
    The one thing I can say here is if the work is equal? Job for job. Part for part. We could maybe live with that? When an American company farms out the majority of the work we have a problem.

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