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    Default Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed."



    http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/f47d8030d31fe05d1213b2f0cd773df3-587.html

    The Plain Truth: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed."


    Here is an excellent article on the decline of America into Marxism by none other than a Russian --who better to recognize Marxism pure and simple?...
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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Holy cow batman! One shouldn't be surprised that these comments come from a publication with such religious/conservative undertones. The only people who are truly afraid of a Marxist/socialist type government or lifestyle are the people who have all the money under our current capitalist system and all the "little people" who pay all the taxes i.e. the middle class, who've had their mostly uneducated minds scared into believing its evil by all the pundits with a lot of money. The reality is that while you've seen USA style blinded by greed, greed is good style capitalism implode onto itself the past few years, Karl Marx was probably right and is laughing in his grave. In case that Russian who wrote that forgot, his own country tried western style capitalism/democracy. You shouldn't be shocked that they didn't care for it.

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
    Holy cow batman! One shouldn't be surprised that these comments come from a publication with such religious/conservative undertones. The only people who are truly afraid of a Marxist/socialist type government or lifestyle are the people who have all the money under our current capitalist system and all the "little people" who pay all the taxes i.e. the middle class, who've had their mostly uneducated minds scared into believing its evil by all the pundits with a lot of money. The reality is that while you've seen USA style blinded by greed, greed is good style capitalism implode onto itself the past few years, Karl Marx was probably right and is laughing in his grave. In case that Russian who wrote that forgot, his own country tried western style capitalism/democracy. You shouldn't be shocked that they didn't care for it.
    That is what 1 million soldiers have died for, your freedom to think as you like. If you want your freedoms to be governed by government, you have that right. I disagree with you, though. I believe the uneducated minds you are referring to, are the ones that have NOT been brain washed into believing you are no longer capable of thinking on your own, without big brothers help. You also must have noticed that Marxism hasn't worked anywhere. I am not willing to give up my freedom to Socialism, Marxism, or a dictator.
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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by pj2004 View Post
    That is what 1 million soldiers have died for, your freedom to think as you like. If you want your freedoms to be governed by government, you have that right. I disagree with you, though. I believe the uneducated minds you are referring to, are the ones that have NOT been brain washed into believing you are no longer capable of thinking on your own, without big brothers help. You also must have noticed that Marxism hasn't worked anywhere. I am not willing to give up my freedom to Socialism, Marxism, or a dictator.
    I couldn't agree with you more actually, I'm really just talking about the money aspect of the argument, i.e. our taxes being used for the things that we all need in life. When capitalism runs a muck the government has no choice but to get involved and do what its been doing and then be accused of socialism by the very people who were pushing for the "let the markets decide" deregulation of everything. Next time you hear a conservative/republican tell you about the evil socialist proposal of universal health care, ask him or her why they're ok with having the taxpayers pay for their health care 100% through your tax dollars. They don't like the free market I guess when it comes to their own health care. I challenge one conservative politician to show that they pay for their health care and cushy pension they'll get after their "service" to their country ends out of their own pockets to provide "relief" to the taxpayers. Most of them are wealthy already of course and could afford to do so, but are more than happy to have a "socialist" type system pay for their own.
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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Capitalism is an only the strong survive and let the weak die system. It works most of the time but it crashes every 15 or 20 yrs. This was a bad one. Plenty of blame to go around. They made a lot of new rules so it don't happen again but wall st will think of a way. I think what Obama has done for the banks and what ever else needs to be done for the banks and the auto industry was a must do. They were near collapse. But he plans to have big business and millionaires pay more taxes to pay for his health care and education reform. That's socialism. That could only cause more layoffs and corporations fleeing the country. I don't think they would play ball with a government who is in their pockets. It won't work period. They will respond like Freddy Smith did when his pilots went on strike SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
    I couldn't agree with you more actually, I'm really just talking about the money aspect of the argument, i.e. our taxes being used for the things that we all need in life. When capitalism runs a muck the government has no choice but to get involved and do what its been doing and then be accused of socialism by the very people who were pushing for the "let the markets decide" deregulation of everything. Next time you hear a conservative/republican tell you about the evil socialist proposal of universal health care, ask him or her why they're ok with having the taxpayers pay for their health care 100% through your tax dollars. They don't like the free market I guess when it comes to their own health care. I challenge one conservative politician to show that they pay for their health care and cushy pension they'll get after their "service" to their country ends out of their own pockets to provide "relief" to the taxpayers. Most of them are wealthy already of course and could afford to do so, but are more than happy to have a "socialist" type system pay for their own.

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by graboltski View Post
    I don't think they would play ball with a government who is in their pockets.
    Just where in the hell do you think they have been for years?

    The government has been in their pocket that's where.

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by HBF View Post
    Just where in the hell do you think they have been for years?

    The government has been in their pocket that's where.
    Yes they have and big time. Corporate tax is 60% or more.. something like that. Another big tax hit on business could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. And they will fire back with mass layoffs like Caterpillar did early this year I like Reagan's tax cutidea when things are tough. It has a big stimulus effect sooner or later. Corporations respond to that in a positive way and actually more revenue for the government. Taxes kill everything. Improve the economy first. Let everything else wait

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    I think you and I see the world from totally different perspectives. I have a very difficult time understanding how anyone can be a Reagan believer and call themselves a union supporter. He sat back the union movement almost as much as GW if not more.
    I do realize I am wasting my time typing this response though.

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by HBF View Post
    I think you and I see the world from totally different perspectives. I have a very difficult time understanding how anyone can be a Reagan believer and call themselves a union supporter. He sat back the union movement almost as much as GW if not more.
    I do realize I am wasting my time typing this response though.
    I am talking about his approach to the economic downturn then. It worked. George Soros is on the top 5 list of billionaires in the country and the biggest Dem supporter in the campaign. Ya think he would give two cents to a union. Obama paid back the unions for supporting him in the election by saving the UAW. There was never any one in Washington who could care less about unions. The air traffic controllers had a no strike clause in the contract and went on strike anyhow. Where they above the law? Reagan had a good run with the tax cut approach. Obama will drag us down with tax hikes down the road. But so far he should be applauded.

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    Default Re: Pravda: "The American descent into Marsism is Happening with Breath Taking Speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by graboltski View Post
    Yes they have and big time. Corporate tax is 60% or more.. something like that.
    It's no where near.

    In the United States, the federal corporate income rate for the year 2006 varies between 15 and 39% depending on taxable income. But since 1999, when Treasury announced the "check the box" system many corporations can elect to be treated as a pass-through entity, thereby skipping the entity level 35% tax and having all income pass through to the shareholders. This is the tax treatment that the much discussed "S" corporations receive; but now many more types of state-law corporations may avoid double taxation by "checking the box". Dividends are also subject to a lower rate of income tax in the United States. The U.S. corporate tax rate is ranked as the second highest statutory rate among the OECD countries (the U.S. average rate of 39.3 ranks just behind Japan's 39.5 and well above the OECD average of 28.7).[30] However, the U.S also has the greatest number of corporate tax loopholes of any OECD member,[31] allowing many corporations to achieve a lower effective tax rate than the published rates.
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    In its August 2008 report, the GAO estimated that "[t]he average U.S. effective tax rate on the domestic income of large corporations with positive domestic income in 2004 was an estimated 25.2 percent."
    WSJ ignored effective tax rate in claiming U.S. corporate tax rate "is higher than in all of Europe" | Media Matters for America

    Where in the world do you get misinformed like that?!?

 

 
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