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    Default Obama and crew still blaming Bush.

    "Listen to me now," said Clinton. "No president - not me, not any of my predecessors - could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years."

    No one could repair all the damage: Clinton defends Obama

    "Listen to me now," said Clinton. "No president - not me, not any of my predecessors - could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years."
    Bill Clinton basks in spotlight, gives rousing defense of Obama | Reuters

    Obama and crew are saying that the reason it has gotten worse is because Bush left it such a mess for me (Obama). How many Obama supporters are sick and tired or hearing that? When are you going to tell your president to stop crying its Bush's fault and that is why I haven't gotten it any better for you and your family?

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    Well, you could go back through our archives and find a great deal of posts regarding the fact that Bush did leave our nation in shambles. I for one agreed with Obama when he took office that a full recovery was going to take many years to accomplish. You couple an inept Congress and the damage (much more severe than anyone thought) from the past administration....What do you expect?

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    Reagan took a worst economy and turned it around in 2 years.

    Plus Slick Willy here was a major reason for the economic crash of 07/08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    Reagan took a worst economy and turned it around in 2 years.
    That is only your opinion. I think that administration worsened the economy, hurt the union movement and hit the middle class taxpayer with higher taxes.

    Plus Slick Willy here was a major reason for the economic crash of 07/08.
    Clinton ? ( Right, a balanced budget and a surplus )
    So now you are saying that a President affects the economy for many years after they left office.
    Exactly the point, Bush harmed the country for decades with his policies.
    I'll agree to that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    That is only your opinion. I think that administration worsened the economy, hurt the union movement and hit the middle class taxpayer with higher taxes.


    Clinton ? ( Right, a balanced budget and a surplus )
    So now you are saying that a President affects the economy for many years after they left office.
    Exactly the point, Bush harmed the country for decades with his policies.
    I'll agree to that !
    My opinion? I guess. Then why did Reagan win 49 states in 84? Overall taxes were down.

    Sure a President can have an effect on the economy for many years after they leave. The problem is, are you pointing to the right areas that caused the problem? Saying having two unfunded wars and bank deregulation isn't being very specific.


    You still believe the surplus lie? You like magic math?
    Now the budget did get balanced though. All Slick Willy did was sign the budget put in front of him from the GOP.
    See, that's where Slick learned his lesson and Obama hasn't learned. Slick learned how to work with the GOP, and not be an obstructionist like the Big O has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    My opinion? I guess. Then why did Reagan win 49 states in 84? Overall taxes were down.
    He didn't get my vote. My taxes weren't down either.
    Guess it all depends on who you talk to.

    Sure a President can have an effect on the economy for many years after they leave. The problem is, are you pointing to the right areas that caused the problem? Saying having two unfunded wars and bank deregulation isn't being very specific.
    Is this more specific for you.
    Unfunded wars do not even paint the right picture of what Bush did.
    CRS also noted that nearly all the $516 billion allocated by Congress to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq has come from “emergency” spending bills that deprive Congress of the routine opportunity to scrutinize how the Pentagon spends the money.
    “While other wars have initially been funded using emergency supplementals, they have quickly been incorporated into the regular budget,” de Rugy said. “Never before has emergency supplemental spending been used to fund an entire war and over the course of so many years.”
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    You still believe the surplus lie? You like magic math?
    Now the budget did get balanced though. All Slick Willy did was sign the budget put in front of him from the GOP.
    See, that's where Slick learned his lesson and Obama hasn't learned. Slick learned how to work with the GOP, and not be an obstructionist like the Big O has.
    Magic math goes both ways.
    Call it a lie or believe, but then you could say the same thing about the present deficient.
    As for obstructionist, doesn't that go both ways also ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    He didn't get my vote. My taxes weren't down either.
    Guess it all depends on who you talk to.
    Capital gains didn't go down for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Is this more specific for you.

    Unfunded wars do not even paint the right picture of what Bush did.
    It's better. But how did the cost of the wars cause this mess? Plus, it's the governments job to protect us, not to spend and lose billions to auto companies, or to pass legislation to make home ownership a right.


    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Magic math goes both ways.
    Call it a lie or believe, but then you could say the same thing about the present deficient.
    As for obstructionist, doesn't that go both ways also ?
    If there was a surplus, then why didn't the national debt go down in those years?

    The republicans tried to work with this Marxist puke. Remember when they were locked out of the healthcare debate? Remember when Obama basically said "we won, deal with it". From the very beginning the President showed he didn't want to reach across the isle. He put up the wall first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    Capital gains didn't go down for you?



    It's better. But how did the cost of the wars cause this mess? Plus, it's the governments job to protect us, not to spend and lose billions to auto companies, or to pass legislation to make home ownership a right.




    If there was a surplus, then why didn't the national debt go down in those years?

    The republicans tried to work with this Marxist puke. Remember when they were locked out of the healthcare debate? Remember when Obama basically said "we won, deal with it". From the very beginning the President showed he didn't want to reach across the isle. He put up the wall first.
    Capital gains ? Who had money to invest after the the market crash of the mid-1970's.
    I was raising a family and struggling to make it week to week.
    As for the auto bailout, hundreds of thousands of people are still working, paying taxes and contributing to society.
    The money spent on Iraq is gone. Would Iraq have attacked the United States ? Are we safer now that another regime is in power ?
    I would say that the answer is NO to those questions.
    As for the debt, it didn't increase.
    Since you brought it up:

    From 1981 to 1989, nominal debt held by public nearly tripled.
    History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yes the Reagan years.
    So does the debt matter, or only if a democrat is in office ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Capital gains ? Who had money to invest after the the market crash of the mid-1970's.
    I was raising a family and struggling to make it week to week.
    As for the auto bailout, hundreds of thousands of people are still working, paying taxes and contributing to society.
    The money spent on Iraq is gone. Would Iraq have attacked the United States ? Are we safer now that another regime is in power ?
    I would say that the answer is NO to those questions.
    As for the debt, it didn't increase.
    Since you brought it up:

    History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yes the Reagan years.
    So does the debt matter, or only if a democrat is in office ?
    You maybe didn't, but apparently many did have money to invest.

    The auto bailout was a waste. GM and Chrysler weren't going anywhere. They still filed bankruptcy after the bailout, and were allowed to take an ILLEGAL tax right off from the 14 billion in debt they just filed bankruptcy on.
    Both GM and Chrysler were still selling cars and trucks. Without the bailout, they would have filed bankruptcy, reorganized, restructured the union contracts, shut down the lines of cars that weren't making money. And still be running today.

    Iraq was suppose to make us money, it as about National Secruity.
    Yes, I feel safer now that Saddam and OBL are dead.

    The debt did go up, no doubt about it. Because Reagan wrongly out spent the revenue. Even though revenue was up. Same W Bush. Federal Revenue was up under him too, because I'd the tax cuts. But he too out spent that increased revenue. The debt didn't go up because of the tax cuts.

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    I can only say that the auto bailout was a calculated risk.
    Without a crystal ball, no one could predict if those companies would have survived.
    As for the comment about restructuring the union contracts, that in itself would have been union busting in my opinion.
    If we bailed out Wall Street and the big insurance companies ( with fat executives ) then why not the hundreds of thousands of good jobs for the middle class ?
    The debt ... revenues up, but debt went up.
    If taxes weren't slashed, perhaps the debt would NOT have went up.
    Can you say that for sure ?

 

 
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