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    Can the Libertarians Go Mainstream?

    By NATHAN THORNBURGH Sat May 24, 3:45 PM ET

    It's been a good year for libertarians. Ron Paul may have decided to run as a Republican, but his gold-standard soul - and the millions in fund raising his personal freedom Über alles platform has attracted - has proven the potency of libertarian ideas. And while Paul continues to garner G.O.P. primary votes (over a million have been cast for him so far) and inspire his freedom-loving followers, the party has found someone else with star power (by libertarian standards) willing to charge into the electoral breach: Bob Barr, two-term Republican congressman from Georgia. At the libertarians' national convention in Denver this weekend, Barr will vie for his new party's nomination against a host of other candidates, including Las Vegas sports handicapper Wayne Allyn Root, avuncular former democratic Senator Mike Gravel, and libertarian stalwart Mary J. Ruwart.

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    I know I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils any more. If I can't write in Ron Paul on the ballot I will vote for the Libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    I know I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils any more. If I can't write in Ron Paul on the ballot I will vote for the Libertarian.
    Welcome to TeamstersOnline Teamster Forum wiseguyups! It's nice to have you here and posting. It's also nice to see a fellow Ron Paul backer.

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    Trade unionists backing Libertarians? I didn't know a free market ideology goes along with unionism. Last Libertarians I talked to, they wanted to do away with unions as impediments on companies and the market to do its best....

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    I admit I have no idea what the Libertarians policy is on anything. So no vote for them from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAW Local 2322 VP View Post
    Trade unionists backing Libertarians? I didn't know a free market ideology goes along with unionism. Last Libertarians I talked to, they wanted to do away with unions as impediments on companies and the market to do its best....
    Just like the Republicans, huh. The Democrats have gotten way to far away from the working man, they cater to way to many small special interest groups, and for the most part they are all anti gun. Across the board I'm with the Libertarian Party on the issues more so than with the D's or the R's.

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    Not only that, this blind allegiance to the people who signed NAFTA, is sickening. Ross Perot warned us. The Dems and Repubs are too out of touch with the dwindling middle class. It's sad that it's come to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    Just like the Republicans, huh. The Democrats have gotten way to far away from the working man, they cater to way to many small special interest groups, and for the most part they are all anti gun. Across the board I'm with the Libertarian Party on the issues more so than with the D's or the R's.
    WE (labor) have to swing our votes totally behind a party in order to be fully listened to. It's those PACC funds if all 1.4 million members gave say $2 bucks a week your looking at 145,600,000.00 a year in donation dollars and that is not even counting the other Unions. The reason they listen to special intrest is they bring money and lots of it, I hate to spit out the truth but if we got the money those sleazy rats will cater to us like a dollar menu at Mickey D's. Now Senator may I have a double cheeseburger along with that NO Vote On CAFTA??? Senator replies after looking at a briefcase of cash Yes and might I add your shoes need shining and I will gladly spit shine them before you leave Sir...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAW Local 2322 VP View Post
    Trade unionists backing Libertarians? I didn't know a free market ideology goes along with unionism. Last Libertarians I talked to, they wanted to do away with unions as impediments on companies and the market to do its best....
    Are you suggesting we all be socialists?

    I can get behind a lot of things you have said. Socialism could possibly work if there were a limit to it, but there isn't.

    If I'm am reading too deep I apologize, but judging by some of your previous posts, that is the drift I catch.

    Good day to you sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    Are you suggesting we all be socialists?

    I can get behind a lot of things you have said. Socialism could possibly work if there were a limit to it, but there isn't.

    If I'm am reading too deep I apologize, but judging by some of your previous posts, that is the drift I catch.

    Good day to you sir.
    Well, socialist is a charged word, particularly in America. I take the example of say the Scandinavians, or certain Continental European countries, that have achieved gains for all working people, both through struggle at the point of production/wealth creation, and in the political area, and usually in tandem, things that we as working people in American can only dream of having (vacations, benefits, pay, NO EMPLOYMENT AT WILL, very dense unionization and contract coverage rates, etc). Then I look at where American companies (or any global capitalist firm these days really) is investing their money, and I am quite alarmed. It isn't news to any one I don't think, that capital, like water, flows to the lowest possible point. Lowest wages, worker protections, environmental standards, etc. all in the name of profits. Communist countries like China and Vietnam are the new economic powerhouses, and against whom we have to compete. Or countries like Bangladesh, Burma, or Malaysia. I can't wait until Sub-Saharan African countries become centers of production. Then we are screwed.

    I guess if a belief in something better, in supporting good wages, benefits, local/national industries, protecting workers and the environment, makes me a socialist, then so be it. I don't care for labels, what matters is what you stand for and what you do. Just don't call me a Commie, since that is not something I support (in the form of the old Soviet Union), and something I, along with my family, fled Poland from in the mid-1980's.

    You can tell where my sympathies lie. No social/economic/political system is perfect, and they can all be improved. What also matters is who is leading, since integrity, character and moral strength, and vision all matter.

    But ya, Libertarians are probably a unionists worst enemy. Just look at what their economic platforms are, ask them about the role of unions, and see what they think about free trade, economics, and global capital and finance. They have a great stance on individual freedom and liberty, but remember, unions are founded on the principle of collective solidarity, that many are stronger than one, and an injury to one is an injury to all. Libertarians do not see any need for collective solutions or collective organizations, because in their view they limit individual freedom and expression. But I must qualify my views on libertarians with the following: there are variations of this political ideology, some of which are amenable with unions.

    I guess it all depends....

 

 
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