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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    The govt is not the answer to anything.
    That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think mine is that you are far from being correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    Show me where it says everybody is entitled to health care. Giving some thing for nothing never works. When your young and getting married and having kids it gives you incentives to go out and better yourself in your job and benefits. The govt is not the answer to anything.
    welcome to the forum wiseguyups, nice to see fellow upser on here.

    your right on one thing the government does tend to screw things up, but we do need to do something with the health care industry. the insurance and the drug companies are "F" ing things up and we all know the powerful lobbyist they have. I do think that kids up to a certain age should have coverage no matter what kind of bums they have for parents. I dont want to see all the illegals or welfare lovers getting free health care when the rest of us bust our A**ES for 30 yrs to get the beni's. Thats just my opinion.

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    Moosesteaks, David Mann pic isn't it? Nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    Show me where it says everybody is entitled to health care. Giving some thing for nothing never works.
    Your right, we gave Bush two terms and we got nothing but misery in return.
    When your young and getting married and having kids it gives you incentives to go out and better yourself in your job and benefits.
    What incentive ? Thanks to the rampant capitalism policies most Americans have very few choices. If it were twenty years ago I might agree with you but these good jobs are getting fewer & fewer thanks to our exportation of American manufacturing jobs.I just love it when someone has a good job already starts talking like they are so easy to come by.
    The govt is not the answer to anything.
    Maybe not but seeing how they have brought us to this point with all the capitalist policies. If they would have tried Fair trade policies instead of free trade we might not be having this discussion as wages and benefits may have kept pace. Used to be a time when a non-union company kept bennies & pay close to Union companies that was before Reagan & don't tell me to look at LTL trucking because as of yet they have not succeeded in outsourcing our jobs, but they are trying VIA the Mexican truck Pilot program. Now they just shut down and move out of America. So you can buy a sony TV for two hundred dollars instead of an American made Zenith for three hundred,,, oh wait that TV is made elsewhere now because of free trade they had to leave or close down altogether.. Had we had fair trade 1450 people here where I live may still have a decent Union job making those Zenith TV's with bennies & good wages, now they don't and our Traderous politicians who sold them out owe them something more than increasing minimum wage.
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    .I just love it when someone has a good job already starts talking like they are so easy to come by.

    You know nothing about me or where I come from in my working life. So don't give me your shi%.

    Not a fan of capitalism, what then socialism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    .I just love it when someone has a good job already starts talking like they are so easy to come by.

    You know nothing about me or where I come from in my working life. So don't give me your shi%.

    Not a fan of capitalism, what then socialism?
    Your right I don't nothing about you, but if you cannot see this system is broken then I know all I need to know.Try taking off those conservative blinders that you are wearing and actually look at the mess capitalism has made. There is a fine line between Capitalism and Socialism, I believe it may be protectionism. Protect what we have and who we are not destroy it with de-regulation & free trade policies that only benefit the rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post
    Not a fan of capitalism, what then socialism?
    No I am not a fan of capitalism nor socialism. Here's pretty much where I stand..
    Quote Originally Posted by snortin nortin View Post
    [B][I] What's great about being American "The Freedom to Express our Views" if we were not allowed we'd be no better than China.
    I'll tell a few things about where I stand first.
    # 1. Gun control, I believe its every law abiding citizens right to carry to protect person or property.
    # 2. Social Security,,, promises made better be promises kept, I don't like lookin' at that FICA on my check but better be there for myself as well as my retired parents (and no they are not bleeding the system dry they are recieving what is rightfully thiers)
    #3. Trade. Protectionism in the form of tarriffs is a good thing.How are we to compete with folks working for fifty cents an hour when it costs 75 bucks to fill your car ?
    #4. Capital punishment.. If you are guilty beyond a doubt you should swing quickly (here's your meal eat it fast cause the hangman has things to do)
    # 6. Abortion.. I believe in pro-choice God gave us free will and with that our actions come with reprecussions. Personally I would not to answer to him for that but some people feel the risk is worth it.
    # 7. The Welfare sytem. I believe as a society we need safety net all too many times people are put out of work and fall on hard times.But those that take advantage should weeded out & put to work or face the consequences of thier actions (aka jail time)
    #8. why is leaning a little left makes one darn near the antichrist ??? Could it be far too many have swallowed hook line and sinker all this crap from the radio ? So far my experience with free unchecked, unabashed capitaism is putting myself and fellow Union Brothers & Sisters and countless Americans in the proverbial "Outhouse"
    Now you know where I am coming from.

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    Moosesteaks, David Mann pic isn't it? Nice
    yup, he is a great artist.

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    great about being American "The Freedom to Express our Views" if we were not allowed we'd be no better than China.
    I'll tell a few things about where I stand first.
    # 1. Gun control, I believe its every law abiding citizens right to carry to protect person or property.
    # 2. Social Security,,, promises made better be promises kept, I don't like lookin' at that FICA on my check but better be there for myself as well as my retired parents (and no they are not bleeding the system dry they are recieving what is rightfully thiers)
    #3. Trade. Protectionism in the form of tarriffs is a good thing.How are we to compete with folks working for fifty cents an hour when it costs 75 bucks to fill your car ?
    #4. Capital punishment.. If you are guilty beyond a doubt you should swing quickly (here's your meal eat it fast cause the hangman has things to do)
    # 6. Abortion.. I believe in pro-choice God gave us free will and with that our actions come with reprecussions. Personally I would not to answer to him for that but some people feel the risk is worth it.
    # 7. The Welfare sytem. I believe as a society we need safety net all too many times people are put out of work and fall on hard times.But those that take advantage should weeded out & put to work or face the consequences of thier actions (aka jail time)
    #8. why is leaning a little left makes one darn near the antichrist ??? Could it be far too many have swallowed hook line and sinker all this crap from the radio ? So far my experience with free unchecked, unabashed capitaism is putting myself and fellow Union Brothers & Sisters and countless Americans in the proverbial "Outhouse"

    I'm with you on every one of those issues.
    I don't listen to the Rush's out in radio land.
    Sirius 100 & 101 and a hand full of music channels.
    I'm totally against free trade, and I think the so called global economy is just a sham for big business to get rid of good jobs here.
    I've got three kids two in the working world one in HS I worry about there future.
    I don't see a whole lot of difference between the D's and the R's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguyups View Post

    I'm with you on every one of those issues.

    I don't listen to the Rush's out in radio land.
    Sirius 100 & 101 and a hand full of music channels.
    70's and Classic Country soothes my nerves.
    I'm totally against free trade, and I think the so called global economy is just a sham for big business to get rid of good jobs here.
    Absolutly.....
    I've got three kids two in the working world one in HS I worry about there future.
    I don't see a whole lot of difference between the D's and the R's.
    There is not a whole lot. But this thread was started on healthcare, and we seem to have varied off the path. With the low paying jobs out there it is not affordable for most folks, McSame has floated this $5 grand tax credit towards healthcare but you have to have $5 grand to spare in order to spend it, most folks do not have that. We are gonna have to wind up with socialized healthcare or just bring the damn jobs back put in some restrictions on trade and get our wages benefits back up to a Pre-Reagan ERA.. I don't know what the solution is but it starts with getting this nation back to work with good jobs, the kind that give our youth a little hope about thier own future.

 

 
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