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    This is what you get with socialized medicine ...Careful what you wish for..

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    Compounding the anguish Gard’s parents felt upon receiving the news is their belief that the brain damage was not inevitable and might have been avoided had the British courts not allowed the hospital to detain the child against his parents’ wishes.
    In fact, some close to the parents – Connie Yates and Chris Gard – have all but accused the courts of killing Charlie.

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    I have said it before ... remove profit from our healthcare system.
    In this "so-called" civilized world we live in, one of the wealthiest, nobody should be without medical care.

    Health insurance makes a difference in whether and when people get necessary medical care, where they get their care, and ultimately, how healthy they are. Uninsured adults are far more likely than those with insurance to postpone health care or forgo it altogether. The consequences can be severe, particularly when preventable conditions or chronic diseases go undetected.
    Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.
    Because of the cost of care, many uninsured people do not obtain the treatments their health care providers recommend for them.
    The uninsured often face unaffordable medical bills when they do seek care. These bills can quickly translate into medical debt since most of the uninsured have low or moderate incomes and have little, if any, savings.
    Going without coverage can have serious health consequences for the uninsured because they receive less preventive care, and delayed care often results in more serious illness requiring advanced treatment. Being uninsured also can have serious financial consequences.
    Portray universal ( or socialized ) healthcare as wrong, inefficient or sometimes cruel all you want.
    No healthcare is the same.

    The only winners are the massive insurance companies, the executives and the profits they extract from us.

    Key Facts about the Uninsured Population | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
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    Maybe we need a different look at "universal" or "socialized" healthcare.
    We hear all the fear propaganda from the right. We hear the stories of how it doesn't work and people go without, or wait months.
    Maybe those stories are true, maybe not.
    There are plenty of stories about how the system of healthcare in the US has failed people too.

    There are plenty of horror stories that get circulated about our healthcare system where patients wait so long on waiting lists that they either expire or seek treatment in the US, but in my mother’s case, this entire process—from initial checkup to major surgery—lasted two months.

    This example is particularly important because it perfectly encapsulates why a universal care system is not only more humane than a market-based one, but also much more efficient. If my mother hadn’t had access to quality preventive care, she wouldn’t have found out she was sick until it was far too late, which would have meant significantly higher medical costs, on top of the reality that she likely would have died.
    Good story to read. From a perspective the right wing doesn't want you to hear.

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...e-with-un.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    I have said it before ... remove profit from our healthcare system.
    In this "so-called" civilized world we live in, one of the wealthiest, nobody should be without medical care.



    Portray universal ( or socialized ) healthcare as wrong, inefficient or sometimes cruel all you want.
    No healthcare is the same.

    The only winners are the massive insurance companies, the executives and the profits they extract from us.

    Key Facts about the Uninsured Population | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
    As far as Healthcare is concerned in this country...Big Pharma and the Insurance Companies make money in the simplest of ways...they have a one-way medical conveyor belt on which we put our money...never to be seen again...you see...it's that simple and effective for the corporate bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Maybe we need a different look at "universal" or "socialized" healthcare.
    We hear all the fear propaganda from the right. We hear the stories of how it doesn't work and people go without, or wait months.
    Maybe those stories are true, maybe not.
    There are plenty of stories about how the system of healthcare in the US has failed people too.



    Good story to read. From a perspective the right wing doesn't want you to hear.

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...e-with-un.html
    As John McCain recovers from surgery done by the best Gold Standard Medical Coverage Money can by...Mitch McConnell delays a vote that would Stripe Healthcare from 22 million of the Working Poor.

    Trumpcare was created at the behest of the Insurance and Hospital Corporations with the intent of increasing already obscene profits,instead of actually providing Healthcare.Actual competent medical care would threaten the Corporate bottom line,with medicine and drugs for proper treatment cutting into Corporate profits.Under Corporate law,this threat to the bottom line will not be tolerated under any circumstances.

    Socialism would take the money and use it for the BENEFIT of the Majority of People...This bill FEEDS off of the Majority to INCREASE the Wealth of the Corporate Elites.

    Yet most Americans don't see it that way.They are to busy blaming one or the other Corporate Party while each Party 'BLEEDS' them Dry...Wouldn't it be wonderful in this Great Christian Country of OURS...if 2631's younger sister had the SAME Gold Standard Medical Coverage that Money can buy as John McCain? Why is She DENIED that Opportunity?


    Adding $200 Billion More Won't Fix Unfixable Senate Health Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    As John McCain recovers from surgery done by the best Gold Standard Medical Coverage Money can by...Mitch McConnell delays a vote that would Stripe Healthcare from 22 million of the Working Poor.

    Trumpcare was created at the behest of the Insurance and Hospital Corporations with the intent of increasing already obscene profits,instead of actually providing Healthcare.Actual competent medical care would threaten the Corporate bottom line,with medicine and drugs for proper treatment cutting into Corporate profits.Under Corporate law,this threat to the bottom line will not be tolerated under any circumstances.

    Socialism would take the money and use it for the BENEFIT of the Majority of People...This bill FEEDS off of the Majority to INCREASE the Wealth of the Corporate Elites.

    Yet most Americans don't see it that way.They are to busy blaming one or the other Corporate Party while each Party 'BLEEDS' them Dry...Wouldn't it be wonderful in this Great Christian Country of OURS...if 2631's younger sister had the SAME Gold Standard Medical Coverage that Money can buy as John McCain? Why is She DENIED that Opportunity?


    Adding $200 Billion More Won't Fix Unfixable Senate Health Bill
    Some have no problem using tax dollars to build the war machine but lose their minds when those same tax dollars are spent on healthcare for all.

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    I don't have a problem with government paying healthcare but where I do have a problem is some wacko sitting in an office deciding who gets what care and who lives and dies.. I also don't beleive tax dollars should be used for abortions.. Use condoms and prevent pregnancy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    I don't have a problem with government paying healthcare but where I do have a problem is some wacko sitting in an office deciding who gets what care and who lives and dies.. I also don't beleive tax dollars should be used for abortions.. Use condoms and prevent pregnancy...
    That is exactly what happens now. Some schmo working behind the insurance company desk has a paper issued by the "executive team" that outlines what they can do, and not do. If it costs money, don't spend it. Fight the doctors that prescribe the care and the patients that need the care.

    Currently waiting for insurance company approval for my wife's RA medication. Why does it need to be approved ? The disease is clearly documented over the last 12 plus years. It's known that the current medications may, or may not work. Some people build an immunity to the meds, for some the meds don't work and the need arises to move on to another medication.
    Yet, the insurance company fights each time. Suggests a different ( cheaper ) medication, or one that was previously used and will no longer work since her body has built immunity's to it.

    So crazy, your first sentence means nothing and represents the propaganda from the right. Death panels and people behind desks dictating your care, all in the name of profits. Exactly what happens now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    That is exactly what happens now. Some schmo working behind the insurance company desk has a paper issued by the "executive team" that outlines what they can do, and not do. If it costs money, don't spend it. Fight the doctors that prescribe the care and the patients that need the care.

    Currently waiting for insurance company approval for my wife's RA medication. Why does it need to be approved ? The disease is clearly documented over the last 12 plus years. It's known that the current medications may, or may not work. Some people build an immunity to the meds, for some the meds don't work and the need arises to move on to another medication.
    Yet, the insurance company fights each time. Suggests a different ( cheaper ) medication, or one that was previously used and will no longer work since her body has built immunity's to it.

    So crazy, your first sentence means nothing and represents the propaganda from the right. Death panels and people behind desks dictating your care, all in the name of profits. Exactly what happens now.
    My first sentence means nothing?? I would assume that is "YOUR" opinion.. As far as an insurance company making decisions?? I beleive that is wrong also BUT one should read the policy before buying it.. You don't buy a new car and when you pick it up it is not what you thought it would look like.. I don't want some "GOVERNMENT" wacko making life and death decisions.. I guess with insurance you could say the same thing but with the insurance you have a choice and with the government there is no choice..
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    My first sentence means nothing?? I would assume that is "YOUR" opinion.. As far as an insurance company making decisions?? I beleive that is wrong also BUT one should read the policy before buying it.. You don't buy a new car and when you pick it up it is not what you thought it would look like.. I don't want some "GOVERNMENT" wacko making life and death decisions.. I guess with insurance you could say the same thing but with the insurance you have a choice and with the government there is no choice..
    No, it means NOTHING ... because that is exactly what happens NOW.
    Read a policy before you purchase it ?
    Really, did you read the policy the Teamsters gave you ? Your Medicare policy ?
    My wife's company policy is like all employer sponsored policy's ... take it, or leave it.

    I guess you have complete confidence in that insurance company employee to make your decisions ... straight from the executive handbook on "How to deny claims".
    What choice is that ?

 

 
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