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    Default The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshell



    In the 10 years between passage and when the bill’s architects tried to hide the full impact of their bill, the changes made by Graham-Cassidy are grotesque. These changes annihilate protections for those with expensive pre-existing conditions. They destroy the individual marketplaces that provide subsidized, decent coverage for those working families whose employer doesn’t provide them insurance. Under the ACA, taxpayer dollars go to purchase health insurance coverage for families in the exchanges. Under Graham-Cassidy, these dollars can be repurposed for a number of things, including straight giveaways to insurance companies.

    Finally, the bill radically redistributes the rapidly shrinking Medicaid financing of the next decade, taking money away from blue states like California and New York—states that have actually taken up the ACA Medicaid expansion to cover millions of their citizens. Red states—including many that refused the ACA Medicaid expansions that would have covered millions of their citizens—would see large windfalls relative to these blue states, yet their overall level of Medicaid funding would eventually be savaged as they simply managed to grab a larger share of a swiftly shrinking pie. Basically, the Graham-Cassidy redistribution of Medicaid dollars is simple retribution against those states that collaborated with the hated Obama administration by taking the ACA’s offer of money to provide health insurance to their citizens.
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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    I am still 100% dead set against this, and any repeal by the republicans.
    The whole pre-existing condition issue should be enough to tell people this is wrong.

    Ever look at the number of people that have filed bankruptcy due to medical debts ?

    In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.
    No doubt the wealthy pharma / medical / hospital executives don't want to see real healthcare reform.
    It will put an end to the money train.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...tcy/101148136/
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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    I am still 100% dead set against this, and any repeal by the republicans.
    The whole pre-existing condition issue should be enough to tell people this is wrong.

    Ever look at the number of people that have filed bankruptcy due to medical debts ?



    No doubt the wealthy pharma / medical / hospital executives don't want to see real healthcare reform.
    It will put an end to the money train.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...tcy/101148136/
    I heard an interview with one of the co sponsors of the bill and he said pre existing conditions were included in the bill.. He said some democratic politicians were putting out a whole lot of falsehoods about the bill.. I have not read it .. So I am blind on this one.. But with this whole pre existing thing I have to ask one question.. Now don't take this as I am sticking up for the insurance companies because I despise them.. If average Joe is living a decent life and has no insurance because he feels he is healthy and goes to the doctor one day and ole Doc gives him the sad news that he indeed has diabetes or even some form of cancer,is it fair to the insurance company that this guy "average Joe" who refused to insure himself now needs insurance and wants to have the insurance company pay his medical bills.. There are many ways to look at this whole thing.. Some positive and some negative..

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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    I heard an interview with one of the co sponsors of the bill and he said pre existing conditions were included in the bill.. He said some democratic politicians were putting out a whole lot of falsehoods about the bill.. I have not read it .. So I am blind on this one.. But with this whole pre existing thing I have to ask one question.. Now don't take this as I am sticking up for the insurance companies because I despise them.. If average Joe is living a decent life and has no insurance because he feels he is healthy and goes to the doctor one day and ole Doc gives him the sad news that he indeed has diabetes or even some form of cancer,is it fair to the insurance company that this guy "average Joe" who refused to insure himself now needs insurance and wants to have the insurance company pay his medical bills.. There are many ways to look at this whole thing.. Some positive and some negative..
    It doesn't have a blanket statement allowing all pre-existing conditions.
    The Blue Cross Blue Shield Association warned against a new GOP ObamaCare bill on Wednesday, saying it would "undermine" protections for pre-existing conditions.
    "The bill contains provisions that would allow states to waive key consumer protections, as well as undermine safeguards for those with pre-existing medical conditions," the association said in a statement.
    The bill would allow states to repeal ObamaCare rules that prevent people with pre-existing conditions from being charged higher premiums.
    They should call it the bend over bill. Because millions of people ( if they can afford healthcare ) will pay substantially higher premiums.

    Blue Cross warns GOP repeal bill 'undermines' pre-existing condition rules | TheHill

    Here is another story. It explains in a little more detail.
    With only two weeks left to move forward with a partisan health care repeal bill, some Senate Republicans are trying one last time to rip coverage from millions of Americans. Their latest effort, introduced by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Bill Cassidy (R-LA), would make devastating cuts to Medicaid and cut and eventually eliminate funding that helps people in the individual insurance market afford coverage, leading to at least 32 million fewer people having coverage after 2026.
    Those who did not lose coverage would see their premiums increase significantly. In the first year, premiums would increase by 20 percent. But the increases would be even greater for people with pre-existing conditions because the bill would let insurers in the individual market charge a premium markup based on health status and history, which could increase their premiums by tens of thousands of dollars.
    Does it affect my household. You bet, so I am dead set against it.

    Based on our analysis, we estimate that individuals with even relatively mild pre-existing conditions would pay thousands of dollars above standard rates to obtain coverage. For example, an individual with asthma would face a premium surcharge of $4,340. The surcharge for diabetes would be $5,600 per year. Coverage could become prohibitively expensive for those in dire need of care: Insurers would charge about $17,320 more in premiums for pregnancy, $26,580 more for rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders, and $142,650 more for patients with metastatic cancer.
    With my wife's RA, and my recent diagnosis of a rare autoimmune disorder ... I say FU to the people pushing this and to all those that think it's a great idea.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ng-conditions/
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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    It doesn't have a blanket statement allowing all pre-existing conditions.

    They should call it the bend over bill. Because millions of people ( if they can afford healthcare ) will pay substantially higher premiums.

    Blue Cross warns GOP repeal bill 'undermines' pre-existing condition rules | TheHill

    Here is another story. It explains in a little more detail.


    Does it affect my household. You bet, so I am dead set against it.



    With my wife's RA, and my recent diagnosis of a rare autoimmune disorder ... I say FU to the people pushing this and to all those that think it's a great idea.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ng-conditions/


    Like I said I did not read it as supposedly many politicians haven't either.. But Obamacare is failing and the rates under Obamacare are rising as well.. In fact I just opened a notice from Blue Shield that my wife's Obamacare policy the deductibles are going up again.. From $100 for a general doctor to $150 and specialists to $200.. But at least they gave us new cards.. So you can say this affects me also..
    Now I have to ask you this about the blue cross warning.. Do you really think that "BIG BUSINESS" is gonna tell you the truth.. They like it as it is.. I beleive you have posted in the past on just how much the Insurance companies are making and the nice CEO's salaries.. Think about that for a moment..

    Your second link says the new bill could raise the rates for those with pre existing conditions by 20%.. Well for your information my rates for my wife have gone up by at least 25% every year since she has had the policy and the deductible form $1500 to over $12,000..So I know you have your reasons but that increase for me is my reason..
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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    From a democratic senator who is being interviewed it but as myself has not read it.. From CNN..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Dzl8HxZDkT4

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    Default Re: The New GOP Plan to Repeal Obamacare Is Pure Destruction, or Trumpism In a Nutshe

    I say put more energy into making it easier to organize and faster.....and the healthcare problem will end......then those who still are not covered, maybe would be given some kind of other options.....But this insuring everybody is just a racket.....and it's giving power to the hospitals and medical profession to abuse the whole thing. It's not worth all the time that it has taken..........our people have lost their voice in government due to one issue....unionbusting.
    And that is the serious problem....make it easy and quick to join unions......join them....and have healthcare that the employers pay for....and it all stays in the market...just like it used to.....then nobody is forced to do anything...it's all agreed to in a contract.........this thing is all an attempt by the employers to shove off one of their big costs onto the rest of us eventually....eventually it will evolve into them not being responsible at all. It's a mandate on the individual as it is....the republican version is what we have with Obamacare....the Bill Clinton version was a mandate on employers....Obama leaned to the GOP employer side by mandating the individual to have it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    From a democratic senator who is being interviewed it but as myself has not read it.. From CNN..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Dzl8HxZDkT4
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    My take on the first post was the senator stated the bill changes and he hasn't read the full and final version because they don't have a final version.
    In other words, they are asking to vote on something not finalized.
    But like he said, allowing states to determine pre-existing conditions is just not workable.
    Besides the people knocked off Medicaid.
    This better fail, otherwise I see millions of people without coverage, and millions more that could go bankrupt over medical debt.

    As for the second post.
    Maybe it will be worth watching.
    However I am getting very tired of the talking heads and lies they spew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    My take on the first post was the senator stated the bill changes and he hasn't read the full and final version because they don't have a final version.
    In other words, they are asking to vote on something not finalized.
    But like he said, allowing states to determine pre-existing conditions is just not workable.
    Besides the people knocked off Medicaid.
    This better fail, otherwise I see millions of people without coverage, and millions more that could go bankrupt over medical debt.

    As for the second post.
    Maybe it will be worth watching.
    However I am getting very tired of the talking heads and lies they spew.
    I truly understand why you want things to stay the way they are.. If I was in your boat I would most likely feel the same way you do.. But my situation is different from yours.. I don't trust either party.. But the way I look at it is the system is broken and needs fixing.. I read some of Bernie's proposals and although it sounds great it will mostly fade away as he cannot even get his own party on board.. The way I see it as the only way to control healthcare is to control it at the service provider.. That is a lot like medicare.. All providers get the same thing no matter where you live.. Control this and you can control the insurance companies..

 

 
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