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    Federal court rules World War I memorial cross must be torn down | Fox News
    Back in 1925, the American Legion erected a memorial in Bladensburg, Md., to honor the memory of 49 men who perished during World War I.
    The 40-foot tall memorial became known as the "Peace Cross."*
    On Wednesday, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed and ruled the historic memorial must be torn down -- all because the Bladensburg Memorial is in the shape of a cross.*
    The Fourth Circuit said the memorial excessively entangles the government in religion because the cross is the “core symbol of Christianity” and “breaches” the wall separating church and state.
    Writing separately, Chief Judge Gregory wrote, “This Memorial stands in witness to the VALOR, ENDURANCE, COURAGE, and DEVOTION of the forty-nine residents of Prince George’s County, Maryland ‘who lost their lives in the Great War for the liberty of the world.’* I cannot agree that a monument so conceived and dedicated and that bears such witness violates the letter or spirit of the very Constitution these heroes died to defend.”
    The American Legion could appeal directly to the Supreme Court.
    "Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America," First Liberty Institute attorney Hiram Sasser said.*
    The group responsible for the lawsuit...I will look up more about later but post here:
    In 2014, the American Humanist Association -- a group that believes in "being good without a god" -- filed a lawsuit alleging the cross-shaped memorial is unconstitutional and demanding it be demolished, altered, or removed.

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    Default Re: Federal Court: WWI Memorial Cross Must Be Torn Down

    The radical left..Destroying history one statue at a time..

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    Default Re: Federal Court: WWI Memorial Cross Must Be Torn Down

    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    The radical left..Destroying history one statue at a time..
    Of course, speak before educating yourself.
    Read the comments ( or not ) and you'll see their are republican conservative members of this group.
    https://www.askahumanist.com/tools/q...ican_humanists

    Or read this ( or not ) and read what a high paid commentator on Fox News say about religion.
    With names like:
    Charles Krauthammer talked about his religious beliefs: “There was once a philosopher who said, ‘I don’t believe in God, but I fear him greatly.’ That’s about where I am,”
    And
    George Will wrote, “I approach the question of religion and American life from the vantage point of an expanding minority. I am a member of a cohort that the Pew public-opinion surveys call the ‘nones.’ Today, when Americans are asked their religious affiliation, 20 percent—a large and growing portion—say ‘none.’”
    The sentiments of Will and Krauthammer are shared by other conservative writers, bloggers, and pundits such as S.E. Cupp, Anthony Daniels, Heather MacDonald, James Taranto, Charles C.W. Cooke, and, of course, the late Christopher Hitchens.
    I guess you haven't learned yet that people's thoughts, actions and reactions go both ways.
    Don't be so quick to condemn if you don't know.

    https://thehumanist.com/commentary/w...a-conservative

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Of course, speak before educating yourself.
    Read the comments ( or not ) and you'll see their are republican conservative members of this group.
    https://www.askahumanist.com/tools/q...ican_humanists

    Or read this ( or not ) and read what a high paid commentator on Fox News say about religion.
    With names like:

    And



    I guess you haven't learned yet that people's thoughts, actions and reactions go both ways.
    Don't be so quick to condemn if you don't know.

    https://thehumanist.com/commentary/w...a-conservative
    I haven't heard about either of those you mentioned wanting statues removed because they were upset about them..There is a difference.. How about some member of a white supremacist group.. Should they take down statues of Martil Luther King because the so called white supremacist is offended ?? The Taliban and ISIS has done this in the middle East. Everyone here we're appalled by it with a Oh my God moment.. They are destroying history.. IMO if you remove history is opening the door to do it all over again.

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    Default Re: Federal Court: WWI Memorial Cross Must Be Torn Down

    History is never removed. History is never forgotten. It is put into a place for those choosing to learn and seek knowledge.
    Many people in today's world choose to ignore history.

    “Bigotry against any group should be disqualifying for high office.”
    ― Alan Dershowitz
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    Default Re: Federal Court: WWI Memorial Cross Must Be Torn Down

    We talked about this a while back in another thread. I am the so called "lib" on this site and guess what, I am not ok with statues and crosses being taken down. Is everyone so ultra sensitive now that we cannot look the other way if we don't agree with something? This really angers me. I saw a story last week about a 10 commandments being taken down in New Mexico somewhere and it had been there for ages. I think people need to grow some b*lls!!
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    Default Re: Federal Court: WWI Memorial Cross Must Be Torn Down

    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    History is never removed. History is never forgotten. It is put into a place for those choosing to learn and seek knowledge.
    Many people in today's world choose to ignore history.

    “Bigotry against any group should be disqualifying for high office.”
    ― Alan Dershowitz
    Says the Zionist bigot Mr Dershowitz.
    What are his feelings on the Jewish state of Israel....no bigotry there I suppose?
    Noted Zionist Apologist Alan Dershowitz Brags About Jewish PowerWe Hold These Truths

    As long as their people have a shot....bigotry only matters to some when it is in the way of them acquiring the power needed to rule...and then their bigotry is to be considered OK.

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    Their America, and Ours | Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website
    “Meet you at Peace Cross.”
    In northwest D.C. in the 1950s, that was an often-heard comment among high schoolers headed for Ocean City.
    The Peace Cross, in Bladensburg, Maryland, was a 40-feet concrete memorial to the 49 sons of Prince George’s County lost in the Great War. Paid for by county families and the American Legion, it had stood since 1925.
    Before the Beltway was built, Peace Cross, at the junction of U.S. Route 1 and Maryland Route 450, was a landmark to us all.
    Last month, two federal judges from the 4th Circuit ruled that Peace Cross “excessively entangles the government and religion” and must come down. A suggested compromise was to saw the arms off, so the monument ceases to be an offensive cross.
    One wonders: At what moment did Peace Cross begin to violate the Constitution?
    Answer: Never. No alteration has been made to the cross in a century. The change has come in the minds of intolerant judges and alienated elites where the dirty creek of anti-Christian bigotry now flows into the polluted stream of anti-Americanism.
    Both are manifest in the rampage to rip down memorials to the men who brought Western Civilization to the New World and made America the great and good country we were blessed to inherit.
    Have something to say about this column?
    Visit Pat's FaceBook page and post your comments….
    Monday, on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show, White House Chief of Staff Gen. John Kelly called Robert E. Lee “an honorable man,” who chose to defend the people among whom he had been raised.
    “It was always loyalty to state first in those days,” said Kelly, when asked his view on Alexandria’s Episcopal Church taking down plaques to its greatest parishioners, Lee and George Washington.
    An explosion of outrage greeted Kelly’s defense of Lee.
    Yet, what has changed in half a century? As Ingraham noted, FDR, an icon of liberalism, referred to Lee as “one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.”
    Asked in 1960 how he could keep a portrait of a man who tried to “destroy our government” in his Oval Office, President Eisenhower wrote his critic back:
    “General Robert E. Lee was one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history…
    “To the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
    “Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.”
    Have some terrible new truths been unearthed about Lee we did not know in 1960?
    No. The change has taken place in the poisoned minds of modernity.
    Some will never concede there was principle or honor in the cause of a South that declared independence in 1860-61, emulating the 13 colonies that declared their independence in 1776.
    In his tribute to Lee in 1960, Ike addressed what was at issue in 1860 that brought on the war.
    “We need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.”
    Ike refers not to a “Civil War,” but to the “War Between the States.” And correctly so. For the South did not seek to bring down the U.S. government, or overturn Lincoln’s election, or seize power in the capital — but to leave the Union, to secede, as Jefferson and John Adams voted to secede from Britain in 1776.

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    There is a whole lot said about statues and statues that offend some must be taken down..Including the one in the title of this post.. But some of the same ones that are offended are "erecting" a statue of Marian Barry the Washington DC mayor that was jailed for smoking crack cocaine.. Talk about a double standard and then Libs are called out for something like this the book of excuses comes out.. Now not all libs are behind these statue removals ..

    https://wtop.com/dc/2017/10/marion-b...ealed/slide/1/

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    There is a whole lot said about statues and statues that offend some must be taken down..Including the one in the title of this post.. But some of the same ones that are offended are "erecting" a statue of Marian Barry the Washington DC mayor that was jailed for smoking crack cocaine.. Talk about a double standard and then Libs are called out for something like this the book of excuses comes out.. Now not all libs are behind these statue removals ..

    https://wtop.com/dc/2017/10/marion-b...ealed/slide/1/
    So, what exactly, did Barry do to deserve this honor?
    Besides smoking crack?

 

 
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