The Wall ?

**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 11:31 AM

I will state again that I think the wall is a waste of taxpayer money, even though the promise by our President was that Mexico will pay for the wall.
Sure they will. Soon as we ( the taxpayer funds it ) it will all be forgotten and they will move on the the next diversionary issue.

If trucks are still being used to bring in illegals, then how will the wall stop them ?
If one truck, or two trucks are caught, how many get though ?

A California traffic stop of a truck was discovered to be hauling 77 illegal immigrants packed inside the sweltering cargo area on Monday.
It is the second such truck stop in a week, on Friday a truck was discovered carrying 76 immigrants in Texas.

The you have the tunnels. Some are so old they reportedly were built in the early part of the 19th century, and still used today.
How many illegals get though all those tunnels ?

Border Patrol agents in El Paso, Texas found a 75-foot tunnel along the U.S. bank of the Rio Grande river – and one former Border Patrol chief believes its origins could go back 100 years.

Imagine how many tunnels they haven't found ?
The "wall" is a waste. We were lied too about the funding. It won't stop any determined person from illegally entering the US.

77 illegal immigrants crammed into UPS truck in California | Daily Mail Online
Border Patrol agents find tunnel in El Paso that connects city to storied past | Fox News

**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 11:40 AM

Informative article that is old, but highlights the tunnel situation around El Paso.

EL PASO – Some say stories of a maze of hidden tunnels beneath the city of El Paso are just myth while others swear that the underground pathways are real. Their existence has been the stuff of legend for over 150 years.

The hidden tunnels are said to run beneath the streets of El Paso and down into Mexico, some of them dug by smugglers, and others dating from before to the American Civil War. Some of these tunnels may just go from one house to another, but others are said to run for miles.

And they're still finding them today.

The remnants of tunnels under El Paso's streets tell the origins of human smuggling

**crazy** · 02-01-2018, 11:49 AM

Your against the wall because that is what the Democratic politicians are.saying. Where where you when Pelizi,Schumer, Obama and many other Democratic politicians.were.for the wall.Trust me if Trump was against the wall then I would bet the Dems would be for it. They have taken obstruction to the highest level.

**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by crazy

Your against the wall because that is what the Democratic politicians are.saying. Where where you when Pelizi,Schumer, Obama and many other Democratic politicians.were.for the wall.Trust me if Trump was against the wall then I would bet the Dems would be for it. They have taken obstruction to the highest level.

Kindly prove that the democrats ever said they were in support of a full border wall that the US taxpayers would fund.

You saying obstructionism to me is like saying that Trump is truthful ...

The republicans coined the word "obstructionism" !

**crazy** · 02-01-2018, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by fxstc07

Kindly prove that the democrats ever said they were in support of a full border wall that the US taxpayers would fund.

You saying obstructionism to me is like saying that Trump is truthful ...

The republicans coined the word "obstructionism" !

Google it.

**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 12:08 PM

This article will have you thinking about how many tunnels they haven't found.
Wall ? We don't need no stinking wall ... we'll go under, we'll go over ... it don't matter.

Border tunnels: Complete list of those found !

More than 180 tunnel attempts have been identified by law enforcement officials since the first cross-border tunnel was documented in Arizona on May 17, 1990.

Timeline of border tunnels since 1990. - The San Diego Union-Tribune

**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by crazy

Google it.

I don't have too. It's fake news unless you can prove it. Or as KellyAnn says "alternative facts" ...

**crazy** · 02-01-2018, 12:15 PM

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/de...t-border-wall/

**222lifer** · 02-01-2018, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by fxstc07

I don't have too. It's fake news unless you can prove it. Or as KellyAnn says "alternative facts" ...

There's seems to be quite a few threads that are awaiting proof.

One item that needs no proof is the fact that candidate Trump repeatedly said Mexico would pay for the wall. Now it's all on the taxpayers shoulders.

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**fxstc07** · 02-01-2018, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by crazy

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/de...t-border-wall/

First, anything that POS Mulvaney says make me puke. He's a walking scum bag.

Second, read the fine print.

But the scope and political context of the two efforts are quite different.
Secure Fence Act of 2006, which called for construction of 700 miles of fencing and enhanced surveillance technology, such as unmanned drones, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar coverage and cameras.

Quite a bit different then 2000 miles of actual fencing.

“Today’s discussion involves fencing off the entire 2,000-mile border while the earlier debate focused on adding significant (700 miles) but still limited miles of fencing at locations designated by DHS as necessary.”

And the last sentence.

But to claim that those measures are the same as what Trump is proposing is a stretch.