Welcome to the TeamstersOnline.com.
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 41 to 50 of 50
  1. #41
    bean
    Guest

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Did you take that directly from the Wall Street Journal? Maybe the Cato Institute? You have been baffled by BS bean. The free trade agreements are destructive to our economy. As the trade deficit grows, as we see our jobs head out of the country, we see more and more disparity between the social classes. Successful people themselves aren't looked down upon, there business practices are. There is a difference. It amuses me to see you condemn socialist ideals when you benefit from what socialist countries have also. Unions. A group that collectively bargains and benefits from that common association.

    Sent from my SGH-T399 using Tapatalk
    disparity between the social classes
    and income inequality is another argument for socialism, total dependency on the government that leads to calls for wealth distribution. Bernie and Barack are big fans of it. Remember, free stuff calls for high taxes, taxpaying loons are on the hook for it. Sooner or later the deficit is a hundred trillion.

    If business and the rich were taxed at 90% the system would still collapse long before it reached that point. It's what's going on in Greece, Spain, It-a-ly, France and a couple other heavily public union dominated countries

    Getting back to trade deals, the reason we see our jobs head out of the country is the fault of the politician pictured below who's policies will never bring jobs back or improve the economy so the middle class can stay middle class
    Last edited by 222lifer; 03-20-2016 at 08:42 AM. Reason: You have your own forum for the clipain'tart

  2. #42
    Scab Hating Union Thug

    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Local Union
    222
    Employer
    YRC
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    27,838
    Rep Power
    1175

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    and income inequality is another argument for socialism, total dependency on the government that leads to calls for wealth distribution. Bernie and Barack are big fans of it. Remember, free stuff calls for high taxes, taxpaying loons are on the hook for it. Sooner or later the deficit is a hundred trillion.

    If business and the rich were taxed at 90% the system would still collapse long before it reached that point. It's what's going on in Greece, Spain, It-a-ly, France and a couple other heavily public union dominated countries

    Getting back to trade deals, the reason we see our jobs head out of the country is the fault of the politician pictured below who's policies will never bring jobs back or improve the economy so the middle class can stay middle class
    Ah yes, the bean spin and dodge.

    Once again, you have not done any research on what the ideas are. Giving the decisions made in this country back to the people bean. Not the corporations! "We" (The middle class) already pay taxes bean. "We" shoulder the burden more than any other class in our country. That is a proven fact. The ideas are not on taxing "us" more. It's based on what is fair. Putting those tax dollars to work where they need to be.

    The rich will never be taxed in the manner you speak of. They will pay their fair share. Nothing wrong with that. One would think that you could understand that this system we have now with the corporations running this country is a failure. They are untouchable as it stands now. You made it obvious that your main concern is that little nest egg you set aside for your declining future. If we don't change our ways, it won't be, and it won't be the fault of socialism.

    You are again wrong about what is causing the jobs to leave the country. There is language written into the existing trade agreements that, for lack of a better word, "allows" jobs to leave without any repercussions to the corporations, only our country. To my knowledge, Obama didn't put a pen to any of them. The trade deficit grows. it will continue to grow until we put our foot down and stop the corporate abuse. That won't come from electing another puppet for them to manipulate.

  3. Likes wizard, 2631, fxstc07, Sayheykid, crazy Liked this post
  4. #43
    I Am Rocking Now

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Local Union
    560
    Employer
    ABF Freightway
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    1,753
    Rep Power
    104

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Ah yes, the bean spin and dodge.

    Once again, you have not done any research on what the ideas are. Giving the decisions made in this country back to the people bean. Not the corporations! "We" (The middle class) already pay taxes bean. "We" shoulder the burden more than any other class in our country. That is a proven fact. The ideas are not on taxing "us" more. It's based on what is fair. Putting those tax dollars to work where they need to be.

    The rich will never be taxed in the manner you speak of. They will pay their fair share. Nothing wrong with that. One would think that you could understand that this system we have now with the corporations running this country is a failure. They are untouchable as it stands now. You made it obvious that your main concern is that little nest egg you set aside for your declining future. If we don't change our ways, it won't be, and it won't be the fault of socialism.

    You are again wrong about what is causing the jobs to leave the country. There is language written into the existing trade agreements that, for lack of a better word, "allows" jobs to leave without any repercussions to the corporations, only our country. To my knowledge, Obama didn't put a pen to any of them. The trade deficit grows. it will continue to grow until we put our foot down and stop the corporate abuse. That won't come from electing another puppet for them to manipulate.
    As usual,Well Stated Lifer.Great Post,Intelligent,Articulate and Eloquent,as opposed to Bean's ''NONSENSE''

  5. Likes 222lifer Liked this post
  6. #44
    I Am Rocking Now

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Local Union
    404
    Employer
    UPS Freight
    Location
    Springfield,Massachusetts
    Posts
    1,870
    Rep Power
    207

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Defense, law enforcement and infrastructure is not socialist spending. The transfer of wealth is socialist spending. I truthfully don't give a rat's :(:(:( about income inequality or the poor. Bernie would tax me to pay for some kid's college tuition. I paid for both my daughters college so a-gain screw the poor and income inequality. This country has a quality job problem for the poor. The poor people need a good job but thanks to Obama's socialistic taxing policies it'll have to wait until he's done ruining the country

    One, you have never answer my question, show me how Obama is a socialist,( a link or something) he no more a socialist than Nixon, Bush or Reagan who by the way triple the deficit. You seem to pick what type of socialism that you like after all you can hire your own private security company for protection, send your kids to private schools and we could use private contractors to build and maintain those roads you will just have to pay a toll ever time you use them. I put up a link why Greece is having so much problems and it was a economist telling you why, i forget you know more than any economist, you alway mention Greece but never Sweden or Norway.

    Remember it was the Capitalist that moved are jobs or seas, and Capitalist hate Unions and they are doing a really good job of getting rid of them aren't they? Most non-union drivers think union workers are lazy, where do they get that idea? As for socialist didn't you, i may be wrong here can't find the post, collect unemployment to the max at one time (2 Years) unemployment insurance a "Socialist Program". Hey i admit even i have collected unemployment more than once, never max it usually for 2 or 3 months (winter months) when the job market open up i got a job(spring time), great program i must say.
    And Massachusetts is one of the best if you max it's $500.00 per week and $50.00 more for each kid you have $600.00 per week for me...

    And you just seem to love war, you want to send other people kids and grandkids off to some god-for-shaken land to die,(not protecting are freedoms, but corporate interests) but you had a chance to go to Vietnam and didn't go, you could have volunteer to go, but didn't, and i don't buy your excuse, tanks where not of much use in Vietnam.

    As for the poor we all know that you are selfish person, a me,me, me guy,(your post say it all) your the guy runs down the left lane when it states left land closed, everyone else moves over but you, you run to the front of the line and then get mad when no on lets you in. Oh, but i had to pay for my kids college, so everyone else should, this program has ben done before "The GI Bill" maybe you took advanage of the GI Bill, because of the GI Bill the economy took off after WWII.


    As for income inequality, it's a fact that the income inequality is not really a good thing, it hasn't been this bad since 1929. And as for it's other peoples money that the Socialist want, really i know we have been brainwash in this country, but how do the rich get rich, I'll tell you on the backs of labor and it seems to me are labor is being short changed, we are not being pay enough, we need more labor unions not less and by the way most Capitalist regard "Unions' as Socialist in nature. so why is it you belong to one,oh it benefits you, back to the me,me me, part, just like you seem to love that your going to get your full pension, but the orphans will not, it's all about Bean.

    An another thing, you say that politicians (Democrats) always give and back teachers unions to get the teachers vote, my local always backs the Democrats, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the local will vote Democratic, so why would every teacher vote Democratic just because the local politician is a Democrat and the union saids too. they don't believe me...


    You don't like liberals or democrats, or socialist, but your here on TOL where most of us are liberal in our views, (not all, but tolerant of others views) we don't call each other names if we disagree, you get your own thread (how that happen is beyond me, should we all?), but your views seem to fit a lot better on the other web-site (TB, right wing BS, IMO) but you got kick off of that site, i don't get it.

  7. Likes wizard, ABFwife, crazy, 222lifer Liked this post
  8. #45
    bean
    Guest

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayheykid View Post
    One, you have never answer my question, show me how Obama is a socialist,( a link or something) . I put up a link why Greece is having so much problems and it was a economist telling you why, i forget you know more than any economist, you alway mention Greece but never Sweden or Norway.

    And you just seem to love war, but you had a chance to go to Vietnam and didn't go, you could have volunteer to go, but didn't, and i don't buy your excuse, tanks where not of much use in Vietnam.

    As for the poor we all know that you are selfish person,

    just like you seem to love that your going to get your full pension, but the orphans will not, it's all about Bean.

    You don't like liberals or democrats, or socialist, but your here on TOL where most of us are liberal in our views, (not all, but tolerant of others views) we don't call each other names if we disagree, you get your own thread (how that happen is beyond me, should we all?), but your views seem to fit a lot better on the other web-site (TB, right wing BS, IMO) but you got kick off of that site, i don't get it.
    You hit on a few issues: Is Obama a socialist or a communist is the question? Obamacare subsidies is socialist in that it's a transfer of wealth from taxing the rich more to pay insurance for the poor. He expanded Medicaid, that's socialism. Obamacare, Medicaid, Gov helping the poor to buy a home is socialism and a reason the debt is $19T

    Greece is a study in how not to manage an economy, a case of failed socialism. But they're not the only failures over there

    I didn't go to Vietnam, lucky me with the critical m.o.s. Who in there right mind would want to go?

    I don't make the rules regarding orphans or cuts. I know the money isn't there to pay everyone

    This site is far right liberal, so is TB where a slug by the name of R-14 driver banned me for my political views and for bashing muler's side kick, I can't think of his name. He was a TB star

    other then that I'm just a messenger who counters left wing crap

  9. #46
    I Am Rocking Now

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Local Union
    641
    Employer
    Retired New Penn
    Location
    Northeastern PA
    Posts
    23,172
    Rep Power
    323

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Beanie!! You stated that during Obama's term,the government helped the poor get homes.. This started during Bush's term and thus the housing and financial crisis. So put the blame where it should be. Obama has enough things to be blamed for and there in any more room on the paper..
    As far as the trade deal goes,Obama wants this to add to his legacy.. TPP has been a big focus on the campaign trail with the two most likely candidates against it.. But with Hillary(if she isn't in jail) says she is against it but I would wager if it was up to her it would be passed..

  10. #47
    I Am Rocking Now

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Local Union
    404
    Employer
    UPS Freight
    Location
    Springfield,Massachusetts
    Posts
    1,870
    Rep Power
    207

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    You hit on a few issues: Is Obama a socialist or a communist is the question? Obamacare subsidies is socialist in that it's a transfer of wealth from taxing the rich more to pay insurance for the poor. He expanded Medicaid, that's socialism. Obamacare, Medicaid, Gov helping the poor to buy a home is socialism and a reason the debt is $19T

    Greece is a study in how not to manage an economy, a case of failed socialism. But they're not the only failures over there

    I didn't go to Vietnam, lucky me with the critical m.o.s. Who in there right mind would want to go?

    I don't make the rules regarding orphans or cuts. I know the money isn't there to pay everyone

    This site is far right liberal, so is TB where a slug by the name of R-14 driver banned me for my political views and for bashing muler's side kick, I can't think of his name. He was a TB star

    other then that I'm just a messenger who counters left wing crap
    Obamacare, i believe who have to pay into?How Does ObamaCare Work?

    Obama didn't come up with Medicaid or medicaid Johnson did....
    https://www.medicareresources.org/ba...y-of-medicare/

    "In 1972, President Richard M. Nixon signed into the law the first major change to Medicare. The legislation expanded coverage to include individuals under the age of 65 with long-term disabilities and individuals with end-stage renal disease (ERSD).'

    "President George W. Bush signed into law the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, adding an optional prescription drug benefit. Until this time, about 25 percent of those receiving Medicare coverage did not have a prescription drug plan.'

    The difference between medicare/medicaid.......

    Medicare and Medicaid: What's the Difference? | Nolo.com

    If Obama was a socialist the 1% wouldn't be doing so gooooood, Beanie, and he would have use the "Army Corps of Engineers" to clean up the Gulf Oil Spill, he didn't he use private contractors, and maybe a lot of that debt has something to the endless wars we are fighting. Your claim Obama is a socialist has no merit, case closed!!!

    Greece and socialist i made my case, here a list of the happiest Counties in the World, most in the top 10 lean toward "Socialism"

    1 - Denmark - In Photos: The World's 10 Happiest Countries - Forbes

    A lot of men and women volunteer for Vietnam, you sure are a warrior with the typing keys, but when it comes to the real deal you oped out, hell who wants to go to Iraq or Afgahanistan, many men and women went, Pat Tillman Volunteer to go.... among countless others.....

    And no you don't make the rules regarding orphans of cut, but you seem to have a Glee in your words when talking about it IMO....

    I think you mean "Far Left Liberal" but not all, and when we disagree we don't call each other names, you seem too. And yes you seem to counter us of the left, but we are here to tell the truth form the left, but it's the truth that you don't want to hear!!!!

    Like Big Government.......here's a couple of page's form a book i have read.."A Power Governments cannot Suppress" by Howard Zinn....page 30...you must know who Adam Smith is don't you Bean....

    Adam Smith, considered the apostle of the "free market," understood very well how capitalism could not survive a truly free market if government was not big enough to protect it. In the middle of the eighteenth century he wrote: "Laws and governments may be considered in this and indeed in every case, a combination of the rich to oppress the poor, and preserve to themselves the inequality of the goods, which would otherwise be soon destroyed by attacks of the poor, who in not hindered by by the government would soon reduce the others to a equality with themselves by open violence."

    After the Revolutionary War, class resentment erupted in western Massachusetts, where farmers, many of them veterans of the Revolutionary War, rebelled in 1786 against high taxes ("rates"), foreclosures, and loss of their land and livestock. This was known as Shays' Rebellion after Captain Daniel Shays, the war veteran who led the insurrection.
    Shays' Rebellion was suppressed by force, but the conflict between rich and poor was to continue in the early decades of the new Republic, as citizens demanded the democracy that had been promised them in the Declaration.
    The American colonists, having fought and won the war for independence form England, faced the question of what kind of government to establish.In 1786 General Henry Knox warned his former commander, George Washington, about rebels: "They see the weakness of government; they feel at once their own poverty, compared to the opulent, and their own force, and they are determined to make use of the latter in oder to remedy the former. Their creed is that the property of the U.S> has been protected from the confiscations of Britain by the joint exertions of all, and therefore should be the common property of all."
    The Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia for 1787 was called to deal with this problem, to set up"big government." to protect the interests of merchants, slaveholders, and land speculators, to establish law and order, and to avert future rebellions like that of Daniel Shays.
    When the debate over ratification of the Constitution took place in the various states,THE FEDERALIST PAPERS appeared in the New York press to support ratification. "Federalist No. 10," written by James Madison, made clear why a strong central government was needed: to curb the potential demand of a "majority faction" for "an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked object."

    And so the U.S. Constitution set up big government to be big enough to protect slaveholder against rebellion, to catch runaway slaves if they went from on state to another, to pay of bondholders, to pas tariffs on behalf of manufacturers, and to tax poor farmers to pay for the armies that would then attack the farmers if they resisted payment, as was done in the Whiskey Rebellion in Pennsylvania in 1794.
    Much od this was embodied in the legislation of the first Congress, responding to the request of Alexander Hamilton, the Secretary of the Treasury.

    For al of our nation's history, this legislative pattern has been the norm. Government has defended the interests of the wealthy classes. It has raised tariffs higher and higher to help manufacturers, given subsidies to shipping interests, and 100 million acres of free land to the railroads. It has used the armed forces to clear indigenous communities of their land, suppress labor uprisings, and invade counties in the Caribbean for the benefit of American growers, bankers, and investors. This was very big government.
    When the Great Depression produced social turmoil. with strikes and protests al over the nation, the government responded with laws for Social Security (which one angry senator said would"take all the romance out of life") unemployment insurance, subsidized housing, work programs, and money for the arts. In the atmosphere created by the movements of the 1960s, Medicare and Medicaid were enacted. Only then did they cry arise, among politicians and the press, continuing to this day, warning of the evils of "big government".

    Page 33....

    With only a bit of reflection, it becomes clear that the issue is not big or little government, but GOVERNMENT FOR WHOM?

  11. #48
    bean
    Guest

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayheykid View Post
    Obamacare, i believe who have to pay into?How Does ObamaCare Work?

    Obama didn't come up with Medicaid or medicaid Johnson did....
    I said Obama expanded Medicaid coverage to millions of low-income people. The cost of that not including his Obamacare is over $500 billion a year. Socialism at work to help those in need. Obama is so kind. The kind you can't afford

  12. #49
    I Am Rocking Now

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Local Union
    404
    Employer
    UPS Freight
    Location
    Springfield,Massachusetts
    Posts
    1,870
    Rep Power
    207

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    I said Obama expanded Medicaid coverage to millions of low-income people. The cost of that not including his Obamacare is over $500 billion a year. Socialism at work to help those in need. Obama is so kind. The kind you can't afford
    I rather expand medicaid and medicare for all, than spend 2.3 Trillion dollars on the senseless wars (lies by the way) in Afghanistan and Iraq, wars that only western corporations and bankers benefit from,... and the M.I.C. wants more money. IMO a society that spend endless money on war and death is not a "Civilized Society" at all....

  13. Likes wizard Liked this post
  14. #50
    bean
    Guest

    Default Re: The Job-Killing Trade Deal You’ve Never Heard Of: The China Bilateral Investment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sayheykid View Post
    I rather expand medicaid and medicare for all, than spend 2.3 Trillion dollars on the senseless wars (lies by the way) in Afghanistan and Iraq, wars that only western corporations and bankers benefit from,... and the M.I.C. wants more money. IMO a society that spend endless money on war and death is not a "Civilized Society" at all....
    Well, lucky you we have a noble peace prize winner president, too bad he doesn't know ISIS is at war with us. Fairy-tales always have a happy ending the fool that he is. War has been going on since the beginning of time so you'd have to be a fool to believe there could be peace in your life time

    Yes Obama is a big spender. Taxes, health care, stimulus, wasteful spending. The deficit will be over $20 trillion before he leave office most of it on his watch. But yet he's a believer in foreign trade. I have to give him a lot of credit for that

 

 
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •