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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    Yes tiredseat,Yes...I believe Walt Kelley's Pogo said it best...''We have met the Enemy and He is Us''...

    ''To remain indifferent to the challenges we face is indefensible...If the goal is noble,whether or not it is realized within our lifetime is largely irrelevant...What we must do therefore is to strive and persevere and never give up''
    Dalai Lama

    ''Once conform,once do what other people do because they do it,and a lethargy steals over all the finer nerves and faculties of the soul...We become all outer show and inward emptiness...dull...callous...and indifferent''
    Virginia Woolf

    ''They say philosophers and wise men are indifferent...Wrong...Indifference is a paralysis of the soul...a premature death''
    Anton Chekov

    Now I could post a thousand more quotes about apathy and indifference and it still wouldn't match the absolute ''F-ing Disgrace'' that is the so called ABF Teamsters that didn't even have the Common Decency and Respect for their ''Brother Teamsters'' to cast their vote in the ABF-IBT Tentative Agreement...People think the opposite of Good is Evil...NO...It's indifference to Evil...At least Evil,in itself,stands for something...Non-Voters...They stand for ''NOTHING''...And Corporate loves every minute of it...And when I say Corporate,I'am referring to both Corporate Entities...ArcBest and the IBT...They thrive on Division...They thrive on Apathy...They thrive on Indifference when it comes to LABOR...And it's everywhere...In the past year at our terminal we've had 7 or 8 long time Teamsters retire...Good Union Men...All of them...Great Peddle Drivers...Last of a Breed...No Doubt...Influx of young drivers...Talk to them about Teamster Pride...Teamster History...Teamster Solidarity...Unfortunately,they've been listening to the malcontents...We all know the type...ABF Sucks...The Union Sucks...This Job Sucks...Miserable...2 weeks ago 3 terminals consisting of 147 Teamsters were meeting at a local VFW on a Saturday morning to discuss the pending agreement between the IBT and ABF...''27 Teamster Brothers and Sisters showed up''...Not one young ABF Teamster bothered to come to discuss ''Their'' future...Future?...Unless Attitudes Change...I'am afraid...This is going to be their Future!!!!

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    Wizard I think you nailed it.. The writing has been on the wall for the last ten to fifteen years.. The membership is divided between Teamsters and Me esters.. Sadly it does seem the Me esters are in the majority now..

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Enjoy your crumbs yes voters, and to the 2800 who didn't vote, you're cowards, to afraid to vote NO so you didn't vote at all. BTW how is it that UPS/UPS Freight are being sent strike vote ballots in the mail, but that wasn't done for us at ABF?

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre...The falcon cannot hear the falconer...Things fall apart...the center cannot hold...Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...The blood-dimmed tide is loosed...and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned...The best lack all conviction...while the worst are full of passionate intensity...Surely some revelation is at hand...Surely the ''Second Coming'' is at hand.

    I could ask 100 people the meaning of this iconic piece of literature and get a different version and interpretation every time...such is the Brilliance of W.B. Yeats...the Great Irish Poet

    I've been a Union member for over 40 years,33 as a Teamster and 8 in a house Union when I was in my early 20s delivering gasoline and oil...18 years at APA and the past 15 with ABF...I've made a nice living working for APA and ABF...Bought my house working for APA...Sent my daughter's through college working for ABF...And for that,both companies have my 'Gratitude' and 'Appreciation'...But make no mistake about it...I ''EARNED'' every penny of it.

    With that being said,let me say this...I have absolutely no animosity or bitterness towards Judy McReynolds...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds MUST do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BRED to do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BORN to do...Judy McReynolds is a ''CAPITALIST''...And truth be told...So is James Hoffa Jr...With Judy it's business,not personal,and I respect and understand that FACT...If I met Judy today,I would be cordial,courteous,and respectful,as I assume she would be with me...Corporations have always had,and will ALWAYS have one DUTY...Maximizing shareholder return...Everything else is Window Dressing for the purpose of fulfilling that duty...I'am quite certain that's been pointed out before by people with way more impressive credentials than I...But with Hoffa Jr...Who supposedly is 'REPRESENTING US'...It's nothing short of Criminal and Betrayal.

    It is more than crystal clear that the IBT and other Union organizations are completely integrated into the Capitalist state apparatus and their central role,is to ''TAMP DOWN'' the natural tendency of workers to improve their conditions,against the equally natural tendency of the employer to intensify its exploitation of the workers...in other words...SUPPRESS the Rank and File...The deal with the devil made between the Unions in the 50s,60s,and 70s was predicated on the continuation of CRUMBS offered the workers during the post WW2 boom...This situation is long gone,and the working class is beginning to break the stranglehold of these rotten 'Corporatist Syndicates'(teachers across the country are one example)...These are not 'Workers Organizations' in any way shape or form.

    Can we say 'Labor Aristocracy'(hoffa for sure)...Looks like its raising its very ugly and class traitorous head in America once again(abf contract for sure)...When will Union workers make LINKS with one another across this great country,and indeed the world as well,and TOSS both political parties and the Union bureaucrats out on their ears once and for all?...This is what happens when the working class doesn't organize itself nationally and internationally into ONE massive and powerful party,one informed by a close study of the Socialist theory and practice of the last 170 years,but instead leave themselves at the WHIM of local 'Union Officials' who have no political or historical knowledge or RADICAL consciousness...You know,the type who happily celebrate ''Labor Day'' each year because their Ruling Class Owners told them decades ago that International Workers Day,which originated in the U.S. by the way,was too inflammatory to celebrate in a non ideological country like the U.S.

    The GREATEST FEAR of Union organizations like the IBT is that OPPOSITION will develop OUTSIDE of their control...And will not be satisfied with the current work rules and compensation and will have little incentive to SETTLE with Corporate America(we can only hope and pray).

    Most Unions today are more like a PRIVATIZED labor relations committee SETUP by MANAGEMENT to work exclusively for the benefit of the OWNERS of the Company.

    The Unions which were formed in the early 20th Century by Socialists and other Militant Progressives were soon infiltrated by the Mafia and Corporate Capitalists.

    From the 1940s through the 1970s the working class still had some BARGAINING POWER...But once Globalization kicked in...Workers became Powerless and Unions just EVOLVED into...''UNION DUES DEPOSITORIES''...Unions which were barely hanging on by the skin of their teeth...SURVIVED by ''CUTTING DEALS''with...CORPORATE AMERICA!!!!....This article helps to spell it out....

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-f28.html

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre...The falcon cannot hear the falconer...Things fall apart...the center cannot hold...Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...The blood-dimmed tide is loosed...and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned...The best lack all conviction...while the worst are full of passionate intensity...Surely some revelation is at hand...Surely the ''Second Coming'' is at hand.

    I could ask 100 people the meaning of this iconic piece of literature and get a different version and interpretation every time...such is the Brilliance of W.B. Yeats...the Great Irish Poet

    I've been a Union member for over 40 years,33 as a Teamster and 8 in a house Union when I was in my early 20s delivering gasoline and oil...18 years at APA and the past 15 with ABF...I've made a nice living working for APA and ABF...Bought my house working for APA...Sent my daughter's through college working for ABF...And for that,both companies have my 'Gratitude' and 'Appreciation'...But make no mistake about it...I ''EARNED'' every penny of it.

    With that being said,let me say this...I have absolutely no animosity or bitterness towards Judy McReynolds...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds MUST do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BRED to do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BORN to do...Judy McReynolds is a ''CAPITALIST''...And truth be told...So is James Hoffa Jr...With Judy it's business,not personal,and I respect and understand that FACT...If I met Judy today,I would be cordial,courteous,and respectful,as I assume she would be with me...Corporations have always had,and will ALWAYS have one DUTY...Maximizing shareholder return...Everything else is Window Dressing for the purpose of fulfilling that duty...I'am quite certain that's been pointed out before by people with way more impressive credentials than I...But with Hoffa Jr...Who supposedly is 'REPRESENTING US'...It's nothing short of Criminal and Betrayal.

    It is more than crystal clear that the IBT and other Union organizations are completely integrated into the Capitalist state apparatus and their central role,is to ''TAMP DOWN'' the natural tendency of workers to improve their conditions,against the equally natural tendency of the employer to intensify its exploitation of the workers...in other words...SUPPRESS the Rank and File...The deal with the devil made between the Unions in the 50s,60s,and 70s was predicated on the continuation of CRUMBS offered the workers during the post WW2 boom...This situation is long gone,and the working class is beginning to break the stranglehold of these rotten 'Corporatist Syndicates'(teachers across the country are one example)...These are not 'Workers Organizations' in any way shape or form.

    Can we say 'Labor Aristocracy'(hoffa for sure)...Looks like its raising its very ugly and class traitorous head in America once again(abf contract for sure)...When will Union workers make LINKS with one another across this great country,and indeed the world as well,and TOSS both political parties and the Union bureaucrats out on their ears once and for all?...This is what happens when the working class doesn't organize itself nationally and internationally into ONE massive and powerful party,one informed by a close study of the Socialist theory and practice of the last 170 years,but instead leave themselves at the WHIM of local 'Union Officials' who have no political or historical knowledge or RADICAL consciousness...You know,the type who happily celebrate ''Labor Day'' each year because their Ruling Class Owners told them decades ago that International Workers Day,which originated in the U.S. by the way,was too inflammatory to celebrate in a non ideological country like the U.S.

    The GREATEST FEAR of Union organizations like the IBT is that OPPOSITION will develop OUTSIDE of their control...And will not be satisfied with the current work rules and compensation and will have little incentive to SETTLE with Corporate America(we can only hope and pray).

    Most Unions today are more like a PRIVATIZED labor relations committee SETUP by MANAGEMENT to work exclusively for the benefit of the OWNERS of the Company.

    The Unions which were formed in the early 20th Century by Socialists and other Militant Progressives were soon infiltrated by the Mafia and Corporate Capitalists.

    From the 1940s through the 1970s the working class still had some BARGAINING POWER...But once Globalization kicked in...Workers became Powerless and Unions just EVOLVED into...''UNION DUES DEPOSITORIES''...Unions which were barely hanging on by the skin of their teeth...SURVIVED by ''CUTTING DEALS''with...CORPORATE AMERICA!!!!....This article helps to spell it out....

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-f28.html
    Bravo!

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre...The falcon cannot hear the falconer...Things fall apart...the center cannot hold...Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...The blood-dimmed tide is loosed...and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned...The best lack all conviction...while the worst are full of passionate intensity...Surely some revelation is at hand...Surely the ''Second Coming'' is at hand.

    I could ask 100 people the meaning of this iconic piece of literature and get a different version and interpretation every time...such is the Brilliance of W.B. Yeats...the Great Irish Poet

    I've been a Union member for over 40 years,33 as a Teamster and 8 in a house Union when I was in my early 20s delivering gasoline and oil...18 years at APA and the past 15 with ABF...I've made a nice living working for APA and ABF...Bought my house working for APA...Sent my daughter's through college working for ABF...And for that,both companies have my 'Gratitude' and 'Appreciation'...But make no mistake about it...I ''EARNED'' every penny of it.

    With that being said,let me say this...I have absolutely no animosity or bitterness towards Judy McReynolds...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds MUST do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BRED to do...Judy McReynolds is only doing what Judy McReynolds was BORN to do...Judy McReynolds is a ''CAPITALIST''...And truth be told...So is James Hoffa Jr...With Judy it's business,not personal,and I respect and understand that FACT...If I met Judy today,I would be cordial,courteous,and respectful,as I assume she would be with me...Corporations have always had,and will ALWAYS have one DUTY...Maximizing shareholder return...Everything else is Window Dressing for the purpose of fulfilling that duty...I'am quite certain that's been pointed out before by people with way more impressive credentials than I...But with Hoffa Jr...Who supposedly is 'REPRESENTING US'...It's nothing short of Criminal and Betrayal.

    It is more than crystal clear that the IBT and other Union organizations are completely integrated into the Capitalist state apparatus and their central role,is to ''TAMP DOWN'' the natural tendency of workers to improve their conditions,against the equally natural tendency of the employer to intensify its exploitation of the workers...in other words...SUPPRESS the Rank and File...The deal with the devil made between the Unions in the 50s,60s,and 70s was predicated on the continuation of CRUMBS offered the workers during the post WW2 boom...This situation is long gone,and the working class is beginning to break the stranglehold of these rotten 'Corporatist Syndicates'(teachers across the country are one example)...These are not 'Workers Organizations' in any way shape or form.

    Can we say 'Labor Aristocracy'(hoffa for sure)...Looks like its raising its very ugly and class traitorous head in America once again(abf contract for sure)...When will Union workers make LINKS with one another across this great country,and indeed the world as well,and TOSS both political parties and the Union bureaucrats out on their ears once and for all?...This is what happens when the working class doesn't organize itself nationally and internationally into ONE massive and powerful party,one informed by a close study of the Socialist theory and practice of the last 170 years,but instead leave themselves at the WHIM of local 'Union Officials' who have no political or historical knowledge or RADICAL consciousness...You know,the type who happily celebrate ''Labor Day'' each year because their Ruling Class Owners told them decades ago that International Workers Day,which originated in the U.S. by the way,was too inflammatory to celebrate in a non ideological country like the U.S.

    The GREATEST FEAR of Union organizations like the IBT is that OPPOSITION will develop OUTSIDE of their control...And will not be satisfied with the current work rules and compensation and will have little incentive to SETTLE with Corporate America(we can only hope and pray).

    Most Unions today are more like a PRIVATIZED labor relations committee SETUP by MANAGEMENT to work exclusively for the benefit of the OWNERS of the Company.

    The Unions which were formed in the early 20th Century by Socialists and other Militant Progressives were soon infiltrated by the Mafia and Corporate Capitalists.

    From the 1940s through the 1970s the working class still had some BARGAINING POWER...But once Globalization kicked in...Workers became Powerless and Unions just EVOLVED into...''UNION DUES DEPOSITORIES''...Unions which were barely hanging on by the skin of their teeth...SURVIVED by ''CUTTING DEALS''with...CORPORATE AMERICA!!!!....This article helps to spell it out....

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-f28.html
    Terrific post! The example of the current teacher walkouts across the country is perfect. This all started in West Virginia, a RTW state where it's ILLEGAL for public sector employees to strike! AND teachers there had to listen to their union "leadership" tell them to stay in the classroom and not walkout! But guess what, they all had the courage and the stones to say enough is enough and they walked out anyway, against the wishes of their union leaders, and they got what they wanted. Workers in America and ALL of us in freight, ABF, UPS/UPS Freight, YRC, and all the nons trying to organize should be looking at their example right now.

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    The yes voters get what they asked for. I feel deeply for those who knew better but get the same short end of the stick as the yes voters and I would have a hard time being happy at work if I was still at it. And it is for another five years on top of it.

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Terri Yaki View Post
    The yes voters get what they asked for. I feel deeply for those who knew better but get the same short end of the stick as the yes voters and I would have a hard time being happy at work if I was still at it. And it is for another five years on top of it.
    Unfortunately that’s the way the voting system goes. The no voters are unhappy with yes voters but you have to live with the outcome whether we like it or not. When it happens that the yes voters win it one needs to try and educate the people voting and as teamsters mature and age I think they do begin to see things differently and realize that us old teamsters actually were looking out for them and the future teamsters. As I said in another post you can’t really blame the company for squeezing everything they can out of us but rather we need to blame the union for allowing the crappy contracts and blame us the members for voting for the crappy contracts.

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    There always have been yes voters and no voters but things are different today as we are getting gutted like a slaughtered animals and us elders know it. All of the indicators are there for us to see yet many don't see them. As for the union leadership...unfortunately it doesn't look like there is any relieve on the horizon for the Teamsters. So does that make me anti-union?

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Terri Yaki View Post
    There always have been yes voters and no voters but things are different today as we are getting gutted like a slaughtered animals and us elders know it. All of the indicators are there for us to see yet many don't see them. As for the union leadership...unfortunately it doesn't look like there is any relieve on the horizon for the Teamsters. So does that make me anti-union?
    Anti union? No. That means you see the need for change and it won't happen if you wear a red vest.

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    Default Re: ABF Freight Announces Negotiations Start Date with Teamsters

    Quote Originally Posted by Terri Yaki View Post
    There always have been yes voters and no voters but things are different today as we are getting gutted like a slaughtered animals and us elders know it. All of the indicators are there for us to see yet many don't see them. As for the union leadership...unfortunately it doesn't look like there is any relieve on the horizon for the Teamsters. So does that make me anti-union?
    Lifer is correct...Anti-Union? No...That makes you a ''Realist''

    Sadly most Americans aren't ready for that reality yet as the vast majority are still quibbling about,and STUCK in the RED and BLUE fabricated divide and all the Corporate Media Propaganda Diversions they're inundated with 24/7,even as the Parasites destroy US and everything WE hold dear with OUR own taxed,stolen and extracted dollars...The really sad fact is that most Americans haven't a CLUE for how long and how deeply they've been owned and manipulated in body,mind,and soul.

    All WE can do is try and spread the information when WE find it and hope that at some point,that data will penetrate to a much larger consensus and consciousness to start activating Mass Dissent instead of the delusional compliance they've been Programed with for the past 4 decades.

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