Anti-gun group wants Starbucks to prohibit customers from openly carrying guns in its

[egambino]

"Last time I looked Starbucks were not considered Federal buildings, unless of course the Starbucks was actually located inside a Federal Building.

So back to the point, how is Starbucks all of a sudden being compared to a Federal Building?"


Nope, I never compared it to a Federal Building. Starbucks has the right to bar weapons from their business (or not...their choice), as any business does. I have the right to bar someone with guns from my house, carry permit or not. Obviously, criminals do not obey laws, that doesn't give you the right to sink to their level and break laws yourself. As long as a gun owner strictly obeys the laws and policies of wherever they are, I have no issue with that. In my home or where I work, your carry permit isn't worth the paper it's printed on, just as in Federal buildings or a myriad of other places.

[mudflap560]

Were you not the one who mentioned Federal Building in the first place?

I never said that Starbucks did not have the right to ban weapons from their stores. As any person who has a permit to carry a weapon knows a business does have that right, I'm not disputing that fact.

I only stated that I did not agree with the anti gun crowd jumping into Starbucks face concerning weapons being carried in Starbuck stores. If Starbucks chooses to ban weapons fine, but Starbucks did not seem to have a problem with it. Only the anti gun Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence crowd did.

Please explain how you arrive at the conclusion, "that doesn't give you the right to sink to their level and break laws yourself."

No where have I ever advocated breaking laws!

[dblclutch]

While I lived in Arizona I had a carry permit. I would not go into a place were my gun was not welcome. When carrying a gun,There comes a lot of responsibility.

[dblclutch]

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As we reported last week, the Brady Campaign’s latest desperate attempt at relevancy involves a publicity stunt attacking Starbucks for allowing the lawful carry of firearms in its stores as provided for by state law.

“It’s everyone’s right to sit in a restaurant or coffee shop with their families without intimidation or fear of guns,” the group said in its modern rendition of FDR’s famous “freedom from fear” quote.

As we pointed out, the Brady Campaign has been quick to fabricate a “right” to feel free from fear, while angrily scoffing at the right to self-protection, by encouraging its minions to sign a petition demanding that Starbucks establish a gun policy more restrictive than state law. “I demand that Starbucks stand up for the safety of its customers and prohibit guns in your [sic] retail establishments,” the petition reads.

Now the group is trying to gain political momentum for its stunt by claiming it has 25,000 names on its petition
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5399

[pdxjim]

Originally Posted by mudflap560

No where did I say that a concealed weapon permit is absolute. Along with the permit come rules and regulations as to where you can and can not carry a concealed weapon. Federal buildings such as court houses, IRS, Post Office and the like concealed weapons are not allowed. You are told this and agree to this before the concealed carry permit is issued.

Last time I looked Starbucks were not considered Federal buildings, unless of course the Starbucks was actually located inside a Federal Building.

So back to the point, how is Starbucks all of a sudden being compared to a Federal Buildimg?

In the real world the crooks and gangbangers will carry the concealed weapon, permit doesn't matter to them. If a crook or gangbanger is gonna use a gun, more laws, anti gun lobbying, or the elimination of legal guns and legal gun sales isn't gonna stop them. The crook and gangbanger destined to commit a crime does not care if he does the time!

You are now getting into a property rights vs. gun rights. If I own a resturant I can refuse service to anyone without giving a reason. If you are considered to trespassing on someone's property you can be removed by law enforcement. I know it's cool and edgy to carry openly but most people ain't feelin' your groove. I'd rather carry concealed and let the other guy wonder. Remember the reason you advertise, that's to drum up buisness. One of these day you might a customer, then what are you going to do?

[222lifer]

Originally Posted by pdxjim

You are now getting into a property rights vs. gun rights. If I own a resturant I can refuse service to anyone without giving a reason. If you are considered to trespassing on someone's property you can be removed by law enforcement. I know it's cool and edgy to carry openly but most people ain't feelin' your groove. I'd rather carry concealed and let the other guy wonder. Remember the reason you advertise, that's to drum up buisness. One of these day you might a customer, then what are you going to do?

There was a day around these parts when you never gave an openly carried sidearm a second thought. It wasn't cool or edgy....It was a way of life. There is still a law on the books that every business on main street must have a hitching post. The hitching posts were replaced by parking meters....But you can still tie a horse to them.

I do not like what I see going on around here. We didn't have an influx of bangers and taggers either. They left the schnithole they lived in to get away from it and brought it all here. Thanks a bunch. Wasn't that the reason they left?...To get away from it?

It was just yesterday that "gang violence" was nothing more than the local hoodlums getting into a fist fight. Now we have multiple homicides. The cops around here are a little slow to respond.....They are hoping the bangers all shoot each other and all that is needed when they arrive, is an couple of taggin' and baggin' wagons. They don't have a problem with the "neighbors" pitching in to help them out either. Forensics goes back to the stone ages when it comes to a good citizen helping out.....

[dc428]

I don't pay $4 for an overpriced cup of coffee and I don't open carry. If you open carry your obviously trying to show the world I need to be seen with my handgun. I would rather keep it a surprise!

[mudflap560]

222, don't you think someones feeling and beliefs toward weapons is dependent upon how they were raised. There was a time in this country if you were not armed you were in the minority. Today that is reversed.

Having said that let's use this example. This is a true story!

Several years ago my wife and I lived in a very rural area. Down the road was a gun club with several ranges. The Sheriff Department used these ranges and also there were shooting events held monthly.

One week my sister in law was visiting. When she heard the sound of gun fire, she became alarmed and commented that "the sound of gunfire is very scary". I tried to explain what it was and where it was coming from but she just couldn't understand why her sister and I were not in a panic as she was.

Now to fully understand my sister in law you must know that she was raised in an urban enviroment and has always lived in a large urban area where most law abiding citizens do not have weapons, yet gun violance is an everyday occurance. You must also remember that when she comes home from work, as a school teacher, she locks and double locks the door behind her for fear that some violent gangbanger may try to make her his next victim. She would never consider arming herself for protection or having a weapon at home for protection as "guns kill people".

Now when someone with such an anti gun attitude, is a teacher, how can her beliefs not rub off on the students that she teaches?

[mudflap560]

Originally Posted by dc428

I don't pay $4 for an overpriced cup of coffee and I don't open carry. If you open carry your obviously trying to show the world I need to be seen with my handgun. I would rather keep it a surprise!

I was not advocating open carry as opposed to concealed.

I will stand by my original concern, if Starbucks didn't have a problem with open carry and the law allows it, then the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violance should not either. After all, more than likely, the patrons of Starbucks that open carry a weapon are law abiding citizens.

[222lifer]

Originally Posted by dc428

I don't pay $4 for an overpriced cup of coffee and I don't open carry. If you open carry your obviously trying to show the world I need to be seen with my handgun. I would rather keep it a surprise!

It used to be fancy cars outside the local Starbucks. Now the status quo is showing of your new customized 1911 Colt in a Gucci holster? Is this the next fashion trend?