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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    I see what your doing. Nice try.
    nice try with what? have you talked to guys at a barn where they have a weak white paper contract?
    So what your saying is that it is other union members fault, because of a stupid corporate news media and not the union leaders who have the final say. Leadership is perceived by character and principles not politics and news media.
    no, what im saying is that there is massive indifference, and fear over jobs within many shops that are smaller, local companies. i know of many shops here that have taken concessions because "we dont want to strike, they will replace us and we will have to start ove somewhere else." most teamsters arent freight, ups, or carhaulers with a STRONG contract.

    and when you have workers who dont even care about the labor union they belong to, how do you think that guy would vote? he will take whatever the company offers. concessions, 5 cent a year raises, etc.

    Oh, and if there is a Strike, it better be sanctioned. I wonder who makes those decisions?
    well, all the new penn drivers were free to wildcat after they got told to get your vote right, or else. they voted again. i dunno, maybe chicago is different, i hope for you it is. but over here in buffalo, id estimate half the drivers i work with dont care. you have to watch who you talk to because DRIVERS will go golfing with management....
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    btw, i see you are retired. i have 30 years, at least, to slog thru this crap. i dont see any of my co workers leafleting, picketing, or even going to the annual picnic with free beer and ribs. i see those same guys at the COMPANY rodeo, year after year. who else would i trust, besides the guys down at the union hall? why would i put faith in guys who would drop our union for a nicer attitude from management?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    well, all the new penn drivers were free to wildcat after they got told to get your vote right, or else. they voted again. i dunno, maybe chicago is different, i hope for you it is. but over here in buffalo, id estimate half the drivers i work with dont care. you have to watch who you talk to because DRIVERS will go golfing with management....
    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    btw, i see you are retired. i have 30 years, at least, to slog thru this crap. i dont see any of my co workers leafleting, picketing, or even going to the annual picnic with free beer and ribs. i see those same guys at the COMPANY rodeo, year after year. who else would i trust, besides the guys down at the union hall? why would i put faith in guys who would drop our union for a nicer attitude from management?
    Get your vote right or else?

    Then, you wonder why no one cares about the union?

    Sorry, but that reflects leadership, not what your other union brothers and sisters do in their free time.

    IMO, it is also perfect example of threatening Teamster Democracy.

    The UPS contract decision would be another perfect example of threatening Teamster Democracy.

    Now would that be Fox News or Hoffa to make that final decision for the UPS contract?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Get your vote right or else?

    Then, you wonder why no one cares about the union?
    [B]sorry, dont you understand? no one cared before the new penn debacle. I didnt like that, it sucks, but ive seen many barns go non union in my 9 years of driving, you dont think that sometimes the international MIGHT know a little more to the story than the average road driver? you honestly think they dont care, about the members lost or their dues?/B]
    Sorry, but that reflects leadership, not what your other union brothers and sisters do in their free time.
    wishful thinking, imo. its not the leaders, its the general feelings and attitudes of the times. you really think old dominion, estes, or conway drivers are waiting to become teamsters, if at some point there is better leadership? people dont care about organized labor, if they did, more drivers would be organized every day.

    IMO, it is also perfect example of threatening Teamster Democracy.
    no arguement there, im just saying that apathetic coworkers arent necessarily going to get anything better than a sharp ba, look at the dismal voter turnout last time.

    The UPS contract decision would be another perfect example of threatening Teamster Democracy.
    yep, i know....
    Now would that be Fox News or Hoffa to make that final decision for the UPS contract?
    it would be better obviously, and there would be much LESS apathy, if Hoffa was gone, i know, we'd have all the freight barns, 30 and out would be back, all of our problems, poof! gone......

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    btw, i see you are retired. i have 30 years, at least, to slog thru this crap. i dont see any of my co workers leafleting, picketing, or even going to the annual picnic with free beer and ribs. i see those same guys at the COMPANY rodeo, year after year. who else would i trust, besides the guys down at the union hall? why would i put faith in guys who would drop our union for a nicer attitude from management?
    Thirty years to go?? Time enough to get an education and get a real job.. Trucking just ain't what it used to be.. Oh and welcome to Teamstersonline..

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    Default Re: Hoffa Threatens Teamster Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    well, all the new penn drivers were free to wildcat after they got told to get your vote right, or else. they voted again. i dunno, maybe chicago is different, i hope for you it is. but over here in buffalo, id estimate half the drivers i work with dont care. you have to watch who you talk to because DRIVERS will go golfing with management....
    How were they free to wildcat? If they had walked off the job wouldn't that have been a voluntary quit? buffalobill, you're probably well intentioned so I'm not looking to pick a fight with you but..........

    If you've got another 30 to go then you are probably fairly new to the union. I don't know the age breakdown at your barn but I would guess that the half you're referring to are older and trying to hang on until they reach retirement age. I'd also guess that the reason they don't care is because they came from other Teamster jobs that went out of business. More than likely they lost faith in the Hoffa administration's handling of recent shutdowns. Like maybe the Holland shutdown of the Red Star expansion. Or his overseeing the destruction of the NMFA.

    I would probably still have faith in the local union officials but not the powers that be at the IBT headquarters. You can't expect the men to go out and picket or leaflet other jobs when their current international leadership doesn't have their backs. I'd be willing to bet that some of those same guys campaigned for the organizing of Overnite probably back before your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    it would be better obviously, and there would be much LESS apathy, if Hoffa was gone, i know, we'd have all the freight barns, 30 and out would be back, all of our problems, poof! gone......
    IMO 30 and out will never be back thanks to Hoffa's dismal record of organizing. His legacy will include the destruction of the NMFA and our MEPFs
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobill View Post
    no, what im saying is that there is massive indifference, and fear over jobs within many shops that are smaller, local companies. i know of many shops here that have taken concessions because "we dont want to strike, they will replace us and we will have to start ove somewhere else." most teamsters arent freight, ups, or carhaulers with a STRONG contract. and when you have workers who dont even care about the labor union they belong to, how do you think that guy would vote? he will take whatever the company offers.
    Don't forget to add your line of "Get your vote right or else?" (which threatens Teamster Democracy)

    Why would the members not care?

    It is because of Fox News.

    Really???
    Last edited by Spaghetti; 08-04-2014 at 09:04 AM.

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    Default Re: Hoffa Threatens Teamster Democracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Don't forget to add your line of "Get your vote right or else?" (which threatens Teamster Democracy)

    Why would the members not care?

    It is because of Fox News.

    Really???
    Well, probably not Faux News directly, but the attitudes and viewpoints that are so prevalent on that network. At least that's how I interpret it.

    No matter how we parse it, Hoffa IS a threat to one-member, one-vote Teamster democracy. I guess he likes to think he's his father. He needs to think again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post



    It is because of Fox News.

    Really???
    Fox News is more of a media outlet for Corporate America.. Have you watched Fox News in the morning.. They have a woman on there that "HATES" the unions and blames unions for everything.. Worse part though like most in her industry they all work under a contract.. I would guess that what is good for them is not OK with the rest of the working class..
    Back to the union,The current so called leadership that we have right now would rather stand in front of a TV camera than stand up for the "Freight" members.. And when they do it is most likely for publicity than anything else..

    Get your vote right or else?"
    Having gone through that At NewPenn I do know what that means.. "NO" should have meant "go back to the table" but these guys caved..
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