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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    I think what he is saying is after all the crap that went down over the last few years in freight, the nons may have little faith.

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    He knows what he said, Mr. Lifer. Let him speak for himself, or are you defending his position that union leaders should take voting rights away from the members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    He knows what he said, Mr. Lifer. Let him speak for himself, or are you defending his position that union leaders should take voting rights away from the members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    He knows what he said, Mr. Lifer. Let him speak for himself, or are you defending his position that union leaders should take voting rights away from the members?
    Are you attempting to twist my words again? I know what he said and was affirming his post. Is the critical thinking hampering your ability to understand the meaning or spirit of the words written by the non critical thinking population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    My point is take your own advice. Is it possible that someone could practice what they preach?

    That's good advice, don't you agree Mr. Lifer?
    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    I think you need to clarify exactly what you mean. Be specific.

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    Still waiting noodles. ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    We lived through the delegate elected officers years and our numbers are a direct reflection of that. The rank and file should maintain the right to elect them and dismiss them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    He knows what he said, Mr. Lifer. Let him speak for himself, or are you defending his position that union leaders should take voting rights away from the members?
    Would you look at that? Perhaps you wish to retract that accusation? The man can speak for himself and has done an admirable job. Voicing his opinion and bringing many different points to the debate. All of which have great merit. So what's your point noodles? You're fishing for something. Let us all in on your latest conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Are you attempting to twist my words again? I know what he said and was affirming his post. Is the critical thinking hampering your ability to understand the meaning or spirit of the words written by the non critical thinking population?

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    Are you suggesting that he and other members can't think or speak for themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Are you suggesting that he and other members can't think or speak for themselves?
    Not at all. But of course, you already know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2631 View Post
    How were they free to wildcat? If they had walked off the job wouldn't that have been a voluntary quit? buffalobill, you're probably well intentioned so I'm not looking to pick a fight with you but..........

    If you've got another 30 to go then you are probably fairly new to the union. I don't know the age breakdown at your barn but I would guess that the half you're referring to are older and trying to hang on until they reach retirement age. I'd also guess that the reason they don't care is because they came from other Teamster jobs that went out of business. More than likely they lost faith in the Hoffa administration's handling of recent shutdowns. Like maybe the Holland shutdown of the Red Star expansion. Or his overseeing the destruction of the NMFA.

    I would probably still have faith in the local union officials but not the powers that be at the IBT headquarters. You can't expect the men to go out and picket or leaflet other jobs when their current international leadership doesn't have their backs. I'd be willing to bet that some of those same guys campaigned for the organizing of Overnite probably back before your time.
    Here is another thought. How many locals have been shunned if they dared to support another candidate to head the IBT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Are you suggesting that no one else is qualified to handle the position?
    no, but it seems that everyone wants to ignore the present UNpopularity of organized labor, and just blame hoffa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    So is your argument that Hoffa should take voting rights away from other union members, because from your perspective, no one votes?

    its not "my" perspective, its a fact. most guys outside of freight, carhaul and ups dont have the same solidarity or feelings about it. and, like i originally posted, i dong like saying it, BUT, werent the best years of the teamsters when there was no voting by the rank and file on ibt officials anyway?

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    im still waiting on all the barns that were succesfully organized by carey, presser, or williams. seems to me deregulation has killed the union barns, not hoffa jr.

 

 
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