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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Because, again, you already stated that it didn't matter. So even if I did answer your question it really doesn't matter, does it. Uh, no is the answer to wanted to read. Thank you.
    My answer was it doesn't matter what happen 100 years ago, we can't change history. You ignored the part when I said I worry about today.
    It's ok though, I now know your ok with bailouts to union companies only.

    So whatever.
    Last edited by ABFHOG; 02-07-2012 at 12:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Exposing the "Right-to-Work" Fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    If you are against anyone using government to further their agenda, I wonder why you would support this legislation "Right To Work"?
    Because, he thinks that RTW means less government. Which in fact it means no union or a right for company employees in a state to form a union, and he wonder why the middle-class is shrinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaghetti View Post
    Because, he thinks that RTW means less government. Which in fact it means no union or a right for company employees in a state to form a union, and he wonder why the middle-class is shrinking?
    Employees can still join a union in a RTW state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abfhog View Post
    i'm always going to support the path to less gov't. I don't care what the corporations want.
    Quote Originally Posted by abfhog View Post
    i'm against anyone using government to further their agenda, be it labor or corporations.
    They both have to compete in the free market.
    Quote Originally Posted by abfhog View Post
    employees can still join a union in a rtw state.
    Yet there is no outcry of injustice from you? Corporations lobbied heavily for this legislation. Using government to further their agenda.

    Unions have been placed at a disadvantage with this legislation. Where is the "free market?" There isn't a free market for a Union in a right to work state.

    "Employees can join a Union in a right to work state." That is true. What is also true is a Union must represent those that choose not to join a Union at a company that is under a CBA. That's right, they have all the benefits of a dues paying Union member. They have their contracts negotiated for them. They have the same greivence machinery. They are not required to pay one red cent for this representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Yet there is no outcry of injustice from you? Corporations lobbied heavily for this legislation. Using government to further their agenda.

    Unions have been placed at a disadvantage with this legislation. Where is the "free market?" There isn't a free market for a Union in a right to work state.

    "Employees can join a Union in a right to work state." That is true. What is also true is a Union must represent those that choose not to join a Union at a company that is under a CBA. That's right, they have all the benefits of a dues paying Union member. They have their contracts negotiated for them. They have the same greivence machinery. They are not required to pay one red cent for this representation.
    Like I said Lifer. I support the path to less government. Not always perfect, but RTW is less government. Operative word is "less".

    Corporations/business can lobby congress all they want. Just as union can. Both have that right.

    Free market, not fair market. Being on free market means they still need to compete. Unions do a terrible job at selling their service. They need to do a better job. I never see any advertising, why?
    To me it seems as if we are waiting on the people to come to us, it for the government to help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    Like I said Lifer. I support the path to less government. Not always perfect, but RTW is less government. Operative word is "less".

    Corporations/business can lobby congress all they want. Just as union can. Both have that right.

    Free market, not fair market. Being on free market means they still need to compete. Unions do a terrible job at selling their service. They need to do a better job. I never see any advertising, why?
    To me it seems as if we are waiting on the people to come to us, it for the government to help us.
    Unions don't have the money that the Corporations have, it's not even close.

    That piece of legislation was pure union busting, your kidding yourself if you think it wasn't

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    Default Re: Exposing the "Right-to-Work" Fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    The only allegiance a company has is to make a profit. That's it. Stockholders invest in these companies, and they are the first priority of the company.
    Like it or not, an employee is just a cost of doing business. Sounds cold, I know, but that's the reality.

    I ask again, you say these RTW states steal these jobs. What ownership rights do union shop states have to these jobs? What laws are broken, to justify the fining of these companies because they pack up and go to another state?
    You just don't get it..If it was up to people like you,everyone would be working in a RTW state making minimum wage so the corporations could make more money for their stockholders..See I believe that yes the corporations should have have some type of allegiance with their employees as many do..This is what is wrong with corporate America This is what the OWS started out as.
    By the way,you work in a RTW state are you one that supports the union or are you one that justs accepts the rewards???



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    Hog I asked this in another thread, you might have answered me if so I missed it. Aren't all the government bail outs paid back now? If so what is any real damages to the tax payer now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayheykid View Post
    Unions don't have the money that the Corporations have, it's not even close.

    That piece of legislation was pure union busting, your kidding yourself if you think it wasn't
    They have enough money. But are you saying because unions don't have the same amount of money, they deserve favorable legislation?

    Sorry, that's not the purpose of our government.

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    Default Re: Exposing the "Right-to-Work" Fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by ABFHOG View Post
    They have enough money. But are you saying because unions don't have the same amount of money, they deserve favorable legislation?

    Sorry, that's not the purpose of our government.
    Oh look Indiana, a proud RTW State trucking company gets BUSTED!!!

    MCSA Shuts Down Indiana Trucking Company | Journal of Commerce

    Uh oh, amigo.

 

 
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