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    Getting In The Groove Now.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Yes it should be posted, but it is not the companies obligation to post it.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by hdsmith50 View Post
    No just because everyone is not in a union or is not being informed of their rights by a union doen;t mean they dont know their rights,its almost the myth that through unions that americans are portrayed as idiots, if not informed by unions. Unions are not for everyone
    Why aren't union for everyone? Unions get people better pay, better benefits, better job protection. That is what unions do. I can't even understand why you or anyone would say unions are not for everyone. Why would any person say no to that?

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    Unions are definitly NOT for everyone. The biggest drawback is almost every chance for advancement is locked into seniority. Merit, or how well you do a job has virtually no play what so ever. Over acheivers, people with a high work ethic, and people driven by performance (and the pay that comes with it) can not separate themselves from the pack and get lumped in with the masses and their set wages. Many people leave union jobs because it holds them back from showing how well they can exceed the the average worker, and go to jobs where they will get paid for how well or efficiantly they work, as opposed to just getting paid by their seniority date. When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight. In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone. This allows these companies to be more productive. However, I would not want to work next to a guy who can do twice the work I can, and the atmosphere encourages him to do more, for more pay. This surely brings on work pressure. However these are the type of companies succeeding today where union companies are struggling. Its not an good situation, but all about the MONEY.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Unions are definitly NOT for everyone. The biggest drawback is almost every chance for advancement is locked into seniority. Merit, or how well you do a job has virtually no play what so ever. Over acheivers, people with a high work ethic, and people driven by performance (and the pay that comes with it) can not separate themselves from the pack and get lumped in with the masses and their set wages. Many people leave union jobs because it holds them back from showing how well they can exceed the the average worker, and go to jobs where they will get paid for how well or efficiantly they work, as opposed to just getting paid by their seniority date. When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight. In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone. This allows these companies to be more productive. However, I would not want to work next to a guy who can do twice the work I can, and the atmosphere encourages him to do more, for more pay. This surely brings on work pressure. However these are the type of companies succeeding today where union companies are struggling. Its not an good situation, but all about the MONEY.
    WOW! That sounds like something that would come out of a managers mouth!

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    No, that just reality, as ugly as it can be. To often union members a closing their eyes to it, and just assuming that everything is going to stay the the same, the way it always was. Unfortunately things are changing, and not all for the good of the working people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Unions are definitly NOT for everyone. The biggest drawback is almost every chance for advancement is locked into seniority. Merit, or how well you do a job has virtually no play what so ever. Over acheivers, people with a high work ethic, and people driven by performance (and the pay that comes with it) can not separate themselves from the pack and get lumped in with the masses and their set wages. Many people leave union jobs because it holds them back from showing how well they can exceed the the average worker, and go to jobs where they will get paid for how well or efficiantly they work, as opposed to just getting paid by their seniority date. When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight. In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone. This allows these companies to be more productive. However, I would not want to work next to a guy who can do twice the work I can, and the atmosphere encourages him to do more, for more pay. This surely brings on work pressure. However these are the type of companies succeeding today where union companies are struggling. Its not an good situation, but all about the MONEY.
    What about when a suck azz get a promotion or a raise over another hard worker who does not kiss butt? In your examples!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Unions are definitly NOT for everyone. The biggest drawback is almost every chance for advancement is locked into seniority. Merit, or how well you do a job has virtually no play what so ever. Over acheivers, people with a high work ethic, and people driven by performance (and the pay that comes with it) can not separate themselves from the pack and get lumped in with the masses and their set wages. Many people leave union jobs because it holds them back from showing how well they can exceed the the average worker, and go to jobs where they will get paid for how well or efficiantly they work, as opposed to just getting paid by their seniority date. When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight. In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone. This allows these companies to be more productive. However, I would not want to work next to a guy who can do twice the work I can, and the atmosphere encourages him to do more, for more pay. This surely brings on work pressure. However these are the type of companies succeeding today where union companies are struggling. Its not an good situation, but all about the MONEY.
    Your profile info says you work the dock at YRC. What kind of promotion would someone get there like in your examples of why a union is not for everybody?

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Appeals Court Upholds NLRB on Union-Material Distribution

    A federal appeals court in Washington upheld a National Labor Relations Board ruling barring a property owner from preventing employees of on-site contractors from distributing union-related handbills on its property.
    A federal judge in South Carolina this month said the NLRB “exceeded its authority” in the ruling. Implementation is now on hold pending an appeal.
    Appeals Court Upholds NLRB on Union-Material Distribution - Bloomberg

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Unions are definitly NOT for everyone. The biggest drawback is almost every chance for advancement is locked into seniority. Merit, or how well you do a job has virtually no play what so ever. Over acheivers, people with a high work ethic, and people driven by performance (and the pay that comes with it) can not separate themselves from the pack and get lumped in with the masses and their set wages. Many people leave union jobs because it holds them back from showing how well they can exceed the the average worker, and go to jobs where they will get paid for how well or efficiantly they work, as opposed to just getting paid by their seniority date. When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight. In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone. This allows these companies to be more productive. However, I would not want to work next to a guy who can do twice the work I can, and the atmosphere encourages him to do more, for more pay. This surely brings on work pressure. However these are the type of companies succeeding today where union companies are struggling. Its not an good situation, but all about the MONEY.
    Well let's see. Would this pertain to another trucking company?....Say a non union one? I have heard how some like being able to negotiate their own deals. What a load of BS. They are paid the same as everyone else at the nons. There is a special club that some belong to. All that is required is flat knees and a round mouth. No increase in pay up front but the "fringe benefits" are quite nice they say. By falling to their knees on occasion many a brown nose has been able to screw a senior man out of his run so by that I guess you could say they successfully "negotiated" their pay increase. Seniority not honored. Straight time pay for all hours worked. I have worked on both sides of the equation. I have seen my share of "slugs" on both sides. It is not so much the work ethic. It is the fact that these mindless drones allow themselves to be worked into the ground. Personally I like my time and a half pay after 8 hours of work. I like the fact that I made it to every one of my sons football practices and games. I like a full weekend without resetting my clock. Why should we have to bring ourselves down to their level? Why don't we continue to push and raise them up to ours.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    When unions started out working conditions were so bad, and labor laws nonexistant, something had to be done to protect the many uneducated workers who needed to eat, from the low life, money hording ownwers. Today many union companies are struggling because high wages are being paid to some workers who do not pull their weight.
    And there's no money hoarding owners out there now???? As the facts prove the rich are still getting richer.

    In a non-union job if you don't pull your weight, your gone.
    Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but your wrong on this one.
    A member of my family works in an anti-union environment which totally nullifies that statement.
    I will not let that statement stand without challenge

    222 is right; there are plenty of slugs everywhere.

    I wish someone had the time to compare some non-union production records to some union production stats.
    I'm sure you'll find that in most cases, the union companies are doing it more efficiently, and safely, all around......
    The great satan himself, Bill Zollars, even claimed that very fact at some meeting seminar around 2005.

    And they're being micromanaged, and constantly harassed while doing it better.

 

 
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