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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by realAZteamster View Post
    And there's no money hoarding owners out there now???? As the facts prove the rich are still getting richer.

    Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but your wrong on this one.
    A member of my family works in an anti-union environment which totally nullifies that statement.
    I will not let that statement stand without challenge

    222 is right; there are plenty of slugs everywhere.

    I wish someone had the time to compare some non-union production records to some union production stats.
    I'm sure you'll find that in most cases, the union companies are doing it more efficiently, and safely, all around......
    The great satan himself, Bill Zollars, even claimed that very fact at some meeting seminar around 2005.

    And they're being micromanaged, and constantly harassed while doing it better.
    Listen.....Crickets.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    None, nothing what so ever, that is my point, no chance at any upward mobility whatsoever.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    No way, non union companies are substantionaly more efficiant. Why is it then, that its the union companies financially against the ropes? The non-unions have far more flexability to chop heads, pay less, move people around, cross train workers, farm out costly, inefficiant departments, etc. etc. I'm not saying its good, just reality. Your average good union worker is probably better than your average good non-union man. But combined with the better pay, benefits, and lack of flexiblity overall, the union guy becomes less cost effective for the bottom line because of all the strings attached. Low level to mid-level management also makes less in the non-union companies. Better union pay helps management and supervisor pay also. Again higher costs for union co's. CEO and VP pay is out of control all over, on both sides. Again, its all about money and the bottom line, if union companies brought in more bottom line, all companies would be union and the unions would be welcomed. Corporations feel unions hurt their bottom line, and in plain spread sheet black and white, they are right. But what happens when workers don't make enough to buy the very products they produce? Who's buying them, the CEO's and VP's? Very small pool of consumers there.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    No way, non union companies are substantionaly more efficiant.
    Not always...Look what a company not ruined by Yellow can do....
    The reduction in operating ratios and corresponding improvement in operating income was led by excellent performance at USF Bestway, USF Reddaway and USF Holland, where operating ratios of 85.7, 89.7 and 89.8 respectively, were achieved.
    USFreightways Reports Third Quarter Record Results | Business Wire | Find Articles

    You may say, well 1996 was a great economy and everybody was making money, not quite....
    In 1996, Yellow Freight recorded operating revenue of $2.4 billion and had an operating ratio of 98.5
    Barely getting by in a great economy, I'd say.

    And of course, they were well on their way to destroying a once great company....Just practicing for their annihilation of USF and Roadway....
    Preston Trucking Company, Inc. is a premium service less-than-truckload carrier providing highly reliable overnight and two-day delivery in 21 northeastern and upper midwestern states, Puerto Rico, Ontario and Quebec. In 1996, Preston recorded operating revenue of $418 million and had an operating ratio of 101.4.
    YRC Worldwide - Annual Report to Security Holders

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Your average good union worker is probably better than your average good non-union man.
    In the majority of cases, agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Corporations feel unions hurt their bottom line, and in plain spread sheet black and white, they are right.
    Corporations are people now, and those people hate unions for THE number one reason to organize, hands down.......
    the workers get to become people too, and have a say in the workplace.

    Think non-union is awesome, go be a greeter at walmart, oh that's right, they got rid off their greeters, without any backtalk of course. Another example of low wages, low morals.....ALWAYS!

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Greeter at Walmart? That's a job for idiots. That is one job that needed to be canned. If Walmart was unionized, ( and they need to be, all kinds of abuse going on there) and the union fought for the continuation of the "Greeter" job, they are living up to the stereotype many people have that unions are trying to protect unproductive jobs, there by eventually crippling an industry and loosing good jobs along with it. Good, economicly productive jobs need to be protected. Worthless, BS jobs like a Greeter are a luxury for the company when profits are high, but need to be chopped as soon as profits dip. The job serves no real purpose.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Greeter at Walmart? That's a job for idiots. That is one job that needed to be canned. If Walmart was unionized, ( and they need to be, all kinds of abuse going on there) and the union fought for the continuation of the "Greeter" job, they are living up to the stereotype many people have that unions are trying to protect unproductive jobs, there by eventually crippling an industry and loosing good jobs along with it. Good, economicly productive jobs need to be protected. Worthless, BS jobs like a Greeter are a luxury for the company when profits are high, but need to be chopped as soon as profits dip. The job serves no real purpose.
    As far as BS jobs, I'm sure profits are still high.
    But greeter jobs serve a purpose...It's to welcome you and make you feel appreciated, because walmart appreciates having you spend there. "We know there are plenty of choices out there (for now) and we thank you for choosing walmart."
    Now the real reason for greeters
    Beyond welcoming shoppers, the job was designed to provide an aura of safety to the front of the store as well as extra protection against shoplifters.
    They want you to know they're watching you, although I'm not sure what kind of protection that class of employees is going to provide.
    RetailWire Discussion: Walmart Greeters Get New Assignment

    Bottom line about it being a BS job............
    Employment gives someone a purpose, it's better than sitting around the house eating bon bons and becoming depressed.
    And if you're disabled (mentally or physically), walmart is willing to let you make the world a better place

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    I agree with all you said. There are some positives to the job.The only concern I would have is a union actually fighting for keeping that job if it were to be cut. Somethings you have to let go for the benefit of the whole. Brings to mind a couple of decades back now, on the struggling railroad. Many years ago the "Firemans" job was to keep a supply of coal in the engine. When diesels came in they continuously required maintaining and adjustments, however over time they improved, and there became no need whatsoever for the Fireman position. The unions fought, and originally won the right to have a man sit there and do nothing in the engine compartment, as the railroads sunk into bankruptcy and had to bailed out by the Fed., which then cleaned out all the unneeded jobs. Times change, jobs change, old ones are no longer needed, new ones are created, people need to be cross trained to the new work, not fight to stay in a job outdated and no longer needed. People and unions need to adapt to this change. Its called "progress", but I have doubts whether its all for the good in the long run.

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    I agree with all you said. There are some positives to the job.The only concern I would have is a union actually fighting for keeping that job if it were to be cut. Somethings you have to let go for the benefit of the whole.
    You seem to be more rational than I first thought, I apologize for the pre-judgement.
    Letting go for the benefit of the whole is a concept that is often applied to grievances, and a pathway that is often misunderstood by members, for their own selfish reasons. There's a TON of Measters out there.
    As for the "Fireman", I say shame on him for not paying attention to what's coming down the road that would directly impact his livelihood.
    As for what's coming down the road, I agree people and unions should adapt to change, for survival, especially with technology, as is displayed by a discussion about cab cameras in another thread elsewhere.
    Which takes us back to the topic of union posters.
    An informed employee is one that's adapting, and I believe that an educated employee is prone to help the company in a positive manner.
    So let's put posters on all four walls in the breakroom

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    Default Re: Judge: Gov't cannot require union posters at work

    Yes I agree. People can not expect things to stay the same as the day they were hired and expect the union to stand up and try to keep things the same as they always were. I think the posters should be up, just not the companies responsibility to do it. A labor rep maybe, or an interested worker on site. People need to involved in their own surroundings and situations, not just expect "someone else" to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buxtrux View Post
    Yes I agree. People can not expect things to stay the same as the day they were hired and expect the union to stand up and try to keep things the same as they always were. I think the posters should be up, just not the companies responsibility to do it. A labor rep maybe, or an interested worker on site. People need to involved in their own surroundings and situations, not just expect "someone else" to do it.
    The companies need to do it. I don't think the companies will let a labor rep in the door. And from my experience an interested worker on site is gonna probably be looking for another job. That's the way it is.

 

 
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