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    What a truly awesome article! It gives me hope that not all companies are run by greedy jerks.
    Harley’s York factory represents an alternative to the common narrative of American manufacturing. In recent decades, countless sleepy Northern manufacturers suddenly awoke to global competition. They often responded by breaking their unions, by moving to a Southern right-to-work state or out of the country altogether, and by employing robots on the assembly line. This strategy has been repeated so many times that even as overall manufacturing output has grown by nearly 25 percent, manufacturing jobs have fallen by 30 percent since 2000.

    Union representation on factory floors has fallen even faster. There are two standard explanations for this phenomenon: Many business leaders and economists have argued the companies had no choice but to stop paying high union wages and benefits; others, especially on the left, argue that this is shortsighted, saying that unions, with their emphasis on skill and tenure, can make companies — and the country over all — richer.

    Harley-Davidson seemed like a great place to test this theory. Keith Wandell, the chief executive, told me that even during the company’s worst days, management never considered busting its union. Frankly, it couldn’t. The company has an “American blue-collar, working man” brand, Magee said, and to get rid of its union or to make its motorcycles in Mexico would have been catastrophic. The company knew it had to keep employing members of the International Association of Machinists and United Steelworkers, who were paid far more than nonunion workers in the South and several multiples of the going rate in Mexico. The company could only compete by redesigning the production system so that each worker created more value than they cost.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/ma...=business&_r=0

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    Wear a helmet loser!!!






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    Default Re: Building a Harley Faster

    What that CEO says is not what other people say, like "there's no American parts in that motorcycle anymore"
    It's hard to believe anyone any more

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    Default Re: Building a Harley Faster

    Quote Originally Posted by realAZteamster View Post
    What that CEO says is not what other people say, like "there's no American parts in that motorcycle anymore"
    It's hard to believe anyone any more
    I guess you haven't toured the Harley York assembly plant, have you ?
    I have been though twice. Once in the old plant during the late 90's and once in the new plant ( right next to the old building ) in 2012.
    First, many parts are supplied to Harley that they don't manufacture. Cables, speedo's, wheels and tires, etc.
    The overall majority of the motorcycle is built on site. The engines are assembled in Milwaukee at Harley's engine assembly plant.
    I have watched the frame being welded together, the fenders stamped and tanks formed. I have walked the entire production line and can tell you they build a quality motorcycle, with a lot of built on site American parts, with American unionized labor.
    So, H/D bikes do contain many American parts, and the union labor to build them.
    BTW, I have owned just about every motorcycle brand over the last 45 years.
    Unless something changes, my bikes will always be an H/D.
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    Default Re: Building a Harley Faster

    Shhhhh,............

    Don't tell anyone, But in the past a lot of the "Harley" motors were bulit at S&S Cycle in Viola,WI,.....

    Which makes those the best engines in a Harley,......Of course I grew up 5 miles from Viola and still have friends and family at the plant,......

    I don't know if they still make engines for Harley now or not,...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post
    Shhhhh,............

    Don't tell anyone, But in the past a lot of the "Harley" motors were bulit at S&S Cycle in Viola,WI,.....

    Which makes those the best engines in a Harley,......Of course I grew up 5 miles from Viola and still have friends and family at the plant,......

    I don't know if they still make engines for Harley now or not,...
    Ahh ... opinions and rumors.
    I will say the H/D has had it's share of issues with the union. They no longer employ their own truck delivery system, instead I have seen the trucks marked as UPSF truckload division.
    Manpower has decreased in York, probably due to a better and more efficient production line. Which is all new.
    Either way, the corporate motto is usually the same, cut costs, improve production and make more money.

    As for those S&S motors. IMO, that is nothing more then a rumor. I doubt they ever made engines for H/D. That company has a long history of motorcycle parts ( carbs ) leading to the present day complete engines.
    Many of their engines today come completely assembled from Taiwan, or China if you prefer.
    As for whose engine is better ... a lot comes down to price and build.
    Look around the bike rags. Everybody now builds a "Harley" type V-twin.
    Competition is strong in that market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    Ahh ... opinions and rumors.
    I will say the H/D has had it's share of issues with the union. They no longer employ their own truck delivery system, instead I have seen the trucks marked as UPSF truckload division.
    Manpower has decreased in York, probably due to a better and more efficient production line. Which is all new.
    Either way, the corporate motto is usually the same, cut costs, improve production and make more money.

    As for those S&S motors. IMO, that is nothing more then a rumor. I doubt they ever made engines for H/D. That company has a long history of motorcycle parts ( carbs ) leading to the present day complete engines.
    Many of their engines today come completely assembled from Taiwan, or China if you prefer.
    As for whose engine is better ... a lot comes down to price and build.
    Look around the bike rags. Everybody now builds a "Harley" type V-twin.
    Competition is strong in that market.
    My Grandparents were good friends and neighbors of George Smith,....

    His granddaughter was a friend of mine in high school,...

    I know for a FACT back when the big cycle boom of the 90's was on S&S was making engines that were shipped to Harley,.....Look for the S&S stamp on the block,...

    Also S&S was making the engines for Indian when it was "reborn", Until Indian came out with it's own power plant,...

    My sister worked there during summers home from college and I still have cousins and friends working there,........

    I might not always know much,....But I do happen to be close enough to this to KNOW what I am talking about,....

    S&S engines are assembled in Viola and or LaCrosse,......The blocks are cast at a foundry in WI,.......
    Last edited by Walleye; 02-02-2014 at 09:58 PM.
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    Default Re: Building a Harley Faster

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post
    My Grandparents were good friends and neighbors of George Smith,....

    His granddaughter was a friend of mine in high school,...

    I know for a FACT back when the big cycle boom of the 90's was on S&S was making engines that were shipped to Harley,.....Look for the S&S stamp on the block,...

    Also S&S was making the engines for Indian when it was "reborn", Until Indian came out with it's own power plant,...

    My sister worked there during summers home from college and I still have cousins and friends working there,........

    I might not always know much,....But I do happen to be close enough to this to KNOW what I am talking about,....

    S&S engines are assembled in Viola and or LaCrosse,......The blocks are cast at a foundry in WI,.......
    Been riding H/D since the early 90's. Never saw an S&S stamp on a Harley production bike.
    Either way, Harley has always been tight lipped on anything to do with the company and it's products.
    Look at the new liquid cooled bikes released this year. It was a surprise for everyone.

    Yes, you are correct. S&S did supply engines for one of the many reincarnations of the Indian. That and every hot rod builder looking to go fast.

    I'll stand by my opinion. They never produced engines for production Harley's.

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    And I'll stand by the fact that I have a relatives at the plant that saw loads of engines shipped to Milwaukee,.....
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