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    This is Bull crap, this is what 1484 been pushing on here and now he’s got a few followers to this misinform propaganda.
    First, of all, yes the Teachers salaries does comes from our Tax dollars we pay!
    Big Deal, it’s a socialist program that been around for centuries and it’s been working!
    Second, Teachers chose to pay Union Dues to protect themselves from falling into an at will employment, we as union members pay dues for having “Just Cause” policies on our CBA.
    But according to this video, it’s trying to twist the concept of where union dues come from!!
    Our Tax Dollars, True, but it comes from a note of payment to the the Teachers salaries, there’s is no rules of where Teachers can’t use their hard earned money to pay for their dues and there is no laws to how to spend their money. True it’s all our Tax dollars that this Teacher deserves...Amen to that!
    Third Union dues are Use for office staff and Legality litigation to protect our Rights under the Law of the Land.
    In this video they’re saying that Union dues are use for political campaign funds, and that is wrong, all Unions use money from the union members contribution voluntarily funding...D.R.I.V.E

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    I Am Rocking Now

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    Default Re: A Crap organization “The Union Truth Machine”

    Quote Originally Posted by fedexnuno View Post

    This is Bull crap, this is what 1484 been pushing on here and now he’s got a few followers to this misinform propaganda.
    First, of all, yes the Teachers salaries does comes from our Tax dollars we pay!
    Big Deal, it’s a socialist program that been around for centuries and it’s been working!
    Second, Teachers chose to pay Union Dues to protect themselves from falling into an at will employment, we as union members pay dues for having “Just Cause” policies on our CBA.
    But according to this video, it’s trying to twist the concept of where union dues come from!!
    Our Tax Dollars, True, but it comes from a note of payment to the the Teachers salaries, there’s is no rules of where Teachers can’t use their hard earned money to pay for their dues and there is no laws to how to spend their money. True it’s all our Tax dollars that this Teacher deserves...Amen to that!
    Third Union dues are Use for office staff and Legality litigation to protect our Rights under the Law of the Land.
    In this video they’re saying that Union dues are use for political campaign funds, and that is wrong, all Unions use money from the union members contribution voluntarily funding...D.R.I.V.E
    I contributed to Drive while I was still working. It was my choice. Not all unions go by this rule. I have read where some unions actually uses dues money for political contributions.. If that is true than I can see where some get pissie about it. .I think your wrong about 1484, I know where he is coming from. Government pensions are getting out of control.. Don't get me wrong as I believe everyone deserves a pension but when you see some retiring with pensions that are almost double their salaries it comes down to someone has to pay for it. I live in PA,we pay the highest gas tax in the country and our roads in some places are no better than third world countries. Here it is how many potholes to the mile.. But although they take I the money much of it goes to pensions. So where does it end?? I have a brother who is a retired police officer and has been retired for over 25 years. He gets more money now than when he was still working. His retirement was based on the last three years of his emploment..He worked and earned every bit of over time he could get. So I will ask you the Fedexnuno,where do you draw the line?? Or are you okay with having your taxes raised so that your neighbor ,a government employee, can game the system??

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    Default Re: A Crap organization “The Union Truth Machine”

    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    I contributed to Drive while I was still working. It was my choice. Not all unions go by this rule. I have read where some unions actually uses dues money for political contributions.. If that is true than I can see where some get pissie about it. .I think your wrong about 1484, I know where he is coming from. Government pensions are getting out of control.. Don't get me wrong as I believe everyone deserves a pension but when you see some retiring with pensions that are almost double their salaries it comes down to someone has to pay for it. I live in PA,we pay the highest gas tax in the country and our roads in some places are no better than third world countries. Here it is how many potholes to the mile.. But although they take I the money much of it goes to pensions. So where does it end?? I have a brother who is a retired police officer and has been retired for over 25 years. He gets more money now than when he was still working. His retirement was based on the last three years of his emploment..He worked and earned every bit of over time he could get. So I will ask you the Fedexnuno,where do you draw the line?? Or are you okay with having your taxes raised so that your neighbor ,a government employee, can game the system??
    You can Thank Trump and Bush on that, Tax break for the Rich and Corporations, lower their taxes and screw the blue collar workers and even lower class, raises their taxes !
    As for your brother, that’s great that he gets more on his retirement, he deserves it because that’s a true public servant who served the people.
    Your brother deserves and earned his retirement pension, he had to deal with psychos and hard core criminals and I tip off my hat to him.
    And just like Teachers and public servant they deal with the worst in their careers, they enter high rated crime cities, and they deserve their over paid pension.
    Now if I am ok with raising taxes? No
    But it is what it is !
    Until we all come together and clean the corrupted system with live in, but as for now people bark and bark and no action, and if there’s actions the corrupted media and politicians will dissect it and call it Fake News.

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    Default Re: A Crap organization “The Union Truth Machine”

    Or are you okay with having your taxes raised so that your neighbor ,a government employee, can game the system??
    I don't think I agree with what you refer to as "game the system". Who created the system? Who continued to defer paying the contractual pension contributions? Certainly not the government employees who's pension co-payments were automatically deducted from their paychecks. They played by the rules the same as you and me. The politicians were the ones who IMO gamed the system.................One only has to look at New Jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2631 View Post
    I don't think I agree with what you refer to as "game the system". Who created the system? Who continued to defer paying the contractual pension contributions? Certainly not the government employees who's pension co-payments were automatically deducted from their paychecks. They played by the rules the same as you and me. The politicians were the ones who IMO gamed the system.................One only has to look at New Jersey.
    Yeah they played the rules but are the rules fair to the taxpayers?? How many times did politicians buy votes from labor to get elected. With government employees it is the same thing. Had a buddy of mine that when he returned from Nam he got a job with the sheriff's department on Long island. In order to get the job he had to register as a republican. Only way he could keep it. Sheriff's Dept was controlled by Republicans. They got decent wages . But it was the Democrats that controlled the union government employees .Huge voting block. Get them raises and give them the kitchen sink for a vote. After all a vote helped with the politicians employment.. So I see it from both sides. Like where I am in PA. My taxes continue to ruse but being on a fixed income every time the taxes go up gives me less spending money. We are looking at selling the house but why should we be forced to?
    Last edited by crazy; 06-15-2018 at 07:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    My taxes continue to ruse but being on a fixed income every time the taxes go up gives me less spending money.
    Let's piss on the public sector because your bank account suffers? Sounds to me like you should have socked more away for retirement. The blame game is so much easier......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222lifer View Post
    Let's piss on the public sector because your bank account suffers? Sounds to me like you should have socked more away for retirement. The blame game is so much easier......
    I can handle it but have seen many older people that had to sell because they couldn't pay the taxes. Talking about people in their 80's or older. Maybe you ought to start putting more away . Won't be long before your in the same boat.

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    Default Re: A Crap organization “The Union Truth Machine”

    I'll worry about public sector pensions when they fix the problems at the top ... first !
    We always hear about those "outrageous" pensions Joe the teacher ( or whatever ) gets ... but it's always selective and cherry picked to inflame those that are on the bandwagon.
    What about the non-union management, administrators, etc. that get multiple pensions of astronomical amounts ?

    Far as I'm concerned, if you worked for what they promised, you should get it.

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    Default Re: A Crap organization “The Union Truth Machine”

    I have numerous friends in the school systems here in NM. Some are in my small town, no union and they are worked like dogs. Some work in ABQ and are union. Those in ABQ have had to start contributing more out of their paychecks to their pensions. These people do not make a lot of money to begin with. I have no issue with public unions, and I specifically have no issue with teacher's unions. Spend one day in a classroom. I don't begrudge them anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxstc07 View Post
    I'll worry about public sector pensions when they fix the problems at the top ... first !
    We always hear about those "outrageous" pensions Joe the teacher ( or whatever ) gets ... but it's always selective and cherry picked to inflame those that are on the bandwagon.
    What about the non-union management, administrators, etc. that get multiple pensions of astronomical amounts ?

    Far as I'm concerned, if you worked for what they promised, you should get it.
    You touched on my next thought. Repeating the buster narrative. Using an exception rather than the rule. Thank you for clearing that up.

    Sent from my SM-J327T using Tapatalk

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