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  • #76
    Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

    Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
    To bad you can't read either.
    I misread, I can read !!

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    • #77
      Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

      Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
      Like your other long winded freind, your posts drag on to the point of nausea.
      What part of the last 5 years did you miss ?
      Those years were spent posting back and forth the same arguments over and over.
      Is there any point in continuing ?
      I don't think so.
      You have your opinions and I have mine.

      Sent from my SM-G996U1 using Tapatalk
      Sorry fx,I don't buy into your spin and BS like other members here on TOL do...They don't want to offend your sensibilities too much so you don't high tail it out of here with your tail between your legs like all the other fake and phony corporate status quo liberals have...Then they won't have anyone to play their Red/Blue-Left/Right game of my 'guy' is better then your 'guy'....I am under no such restrictions...For months,I've challenged,dared,consoled,pissed-off,and pleaded with you corporate liberals to ''DEFEND'' Joe Biden's 47 years of corruption...And each and EVERY-TIME you attacked Trump...For months you defended Biden's record by attacking Trump,because you knew there was no defending Biden's record because of all the ''FACTS'' I posted...That was your one and only response...EVERY-TIME...So now your not only a fake and phony liberal,your a BS artist as well...Why am I not surprised...And here are 2 examples to prove my point...I posted these articles before and there was nothing but ''crickets'' from our fake and phony liberal Biden supporters...

      Black Agenda Report is a ''Left-Wing'' African American web-site that speaks truth about the corruption of BOTH political parties...Let's read what they say about Uncle Joe and his 47 years in politics....And then let's see how fx 'responds' to the articles...Hey fx,I know,you can always claim this web-site is ''racist'' towards older white guys...Yeah,that's the ticket...Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass...''reverse discrimination''...What say you brother?...

      https://www.blackagendareport.com/jo...s-past-we-wont

      https://www.blackagendareport.com/bl...e-need-bust-it

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      • #78
        Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
        Like your other long winded freind, your posts drag on to the point of nausea.
        In other words… be like yourself and only post opinions because all facts do is drag the posts out to the point where it would then be useless to then try defending those opinions that you just posted… so much so that it’s actually nauseating… right? That’s your reason for not replying?

        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
        What part of the last 5 years did you miss ?
        You may want to ask yourself that question concerning all the riots… looting… injuries… deaths… taking over of cities… burning of small businesses and vehicles… destruction of statues…personal attacks on the police and private citizens and how they were covered by the media and politicians… along with two failed impeachments… Steele Dossier and Biden’s quid pro quo. I’ll stop there before I drag it on and make you nauseated.

        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
        Those years were spent posting back and forth the same arguments over and over.
        You mean when you were controlling the conversations with your bias moderating? Is that what you call back and forth…I think that there are some that would disagree with you on that.

        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
        Is there any point in continuing ?
        I guess not… now that you can’t control the conversations any longer and facts just drag the posts on to where nauseation sets in.

        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
        You have your opinions and I have mine
        Just as long as they don’t drag on with a bunch of facts…which then makes your opinions baseless and you mute… right?

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        • #79
          Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

          Another disabled veteran being charged and held without bail for being at the Capital on Jan 6th??

          Retired Army Sgt. Kenneth Harrelson Arrested for Attending Jan. 6 Protests – Family’s Bank Account Locked Down, Wife Loses Her Job, They Are Frightened and Don’t Know What to Do

          Angel Harrelson from Florida contacted The Gateway Pundit last week.

          Angel’s husband, Retired Army Sgt. Kenneth Harrelson, was arrested last week and is currently being held in jail for attending the January 6th protests in Washington DC. The feds may move him to Washington DC this coming week for trial.
          Kenneth is a retired Army Sergeant and US veteran. He suffers from serious physical maladies including high blood pressure.

          The US government locked down the family bank account following the arrest. Angel lost her job.
          Now the family does not know how they are going to make it.
          Here is Angel’s story.

          My name is Angel. I am the wife of Retired Army Sgt. Kenneth Harrelson, a 100% disabled veteran, who traveled to Washington D.C. to on Jan. 5-6, to protect Trump supporters from violent Antifa. We have a 17-year-old son and a 14-year-old daughter. My husband was arrested on Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 and my family is greatly in need of help. The FBI, city police and sheriff’s office came to our home and executed a search warrant. My husband was on a ladder cleaning the gutters at the time and I was inside working virtually at my job. The agents and officers approached with their guns pointed at my husband. He was unarmed and was in fear for his life. They arrested him without incident and then came to the door with my husband in handcuffs.

          I was on the phone with a customer at the time. I immediately hung up and then notified my boss that I needed to be excused from work for the day due to a family emergency. The agents informed me that they were going to search the house and said that I would need to remain outside for the duration of their search. I requested to see a copy of the search warrant but I was refused, basically. They proceeded to escort me outside of my home. I was upset that my things were going to be tossed around everywhere and that they would make a huge mess. They even tried to search through my photo album of my recently deceased Mother’s photos, until I begged them not to.

          I decided to video record them while they conducted their search and I let them know that I was recording. They started questioning Kenneth but he requested a lawyer and so questioning ended and they then transported him to the county jail. I stayed at home to await the arrival of our children from school. After they completed their search, they gathered their “evidence,” which included absurd things like our son’s Air-soft flash-bangs and Air-soft “grenades” that he uses to play Air-soft with his JROTC school friends. They also took a tourniquet that we keep on hand, along with other first aid supplies. I was formally trained as an EMT and as a Certified Nursing Assistant, therefore, I keep this kind of supplies on hand at all times. They also took my personal iPad. All of these things were here at home while Kenneth was in Washington, D.C. and have nothing to do with his trip there.

          Read more
          https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ned-dont-know/

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          • #80
            Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

            Originally posted by crazy View Post
            Another disabled veteran being charged and held without bail for being at the Capital on Jan 6th??

            Retired Army Sgt. Kenneth Harrelson Arrested for Attending Jan. 6 Protests – Family’s Bank Account Locked Down, Wife Loses Her Job, They Are Frightened and Don’t Know What to Do



            Here is Angel’s story.

            My name is Angel. I am the wife of Retired Army Sgt. Kenneth Harrelson, a 100% disabled veteran, who traveled to Washington D.C. to on Jan. 5-6, to protect Trump supporters from violent Antifa. We have a 17-year-old son and a 14-year-old daughter. My husband was arrested on Wednesday, March 10th, 2021 and my family is greatly in need of help. The FBI, city police and sheriff’s office came to our home and executed a search warrant. My husband was on a ladder cleaning the gutters at the time and I was inside working virtually at my job. The agents and officers approached with their guns pointed at my husband. He was unarmed and was in fear for his life. They arrested him without incident and then came to the door with my husband in handcuffs.

            I was on the phone with a customer at the time. I immediately hung up and then notified my boss that I needed to be excused from work for the day due to a family emergency. The agents informed me that they were going to search the house and said that I would need to remain outside for the duration of their search. I requested to see a copy of the search warrant but I was refused, basically. They proceeded to escort me outside of my home. I was upset that my things were going to be tossed around everywhere and that they would make a huge mess. They even tried to search through my photo album of my recently deceased Mother’s photos, until I begged them not to.

            I decided to video record them while they conducted their search and I let them know that I was recording. They started questioning Kenneth but he requested a lawyer and so questioning ended and they then transported him to the county jail. I stayed at home to await the arrival of our children from school. After they completed their search, they gathered their “evidence,” which included absurd things like our son’s Air-soft flash-bangs and Air-soft “grenades” that he uses to play Air-soft with his JROTC school friends. They also took a tourniquet that we keep on hand, along with other first aid supplies. I was formally trained as an EMT and as a Certified Nursing Assistant, therefore, I keep this kind of supplies on hand at all times. They also took my personal iPad. All of these things were here at home while Kenneth was in Washington, D.C. and have nothing to do with his trip there.

            Read more
            https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ned-dont-know/
            The swamp at work,what a shame,the whole process is politically driven.All the while the illegals and other politically driven criminals are released immediatly to return to normal life and the criminal ways.
            This is no more than the dim run criminal system showing their bias control, and to beware not to come to capital and go against their rule.
            Last edited by 1484-1075; 03-15-2021, 07:28 AM.

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            • #81
              Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

              Originally posted by crazy View Post
              Your right and yours and everyone's opinions are welcome here I think.. so what was done on Jan 6th was pure and simple wrong.. But if you looked at any of the videos posted you would have seen the Capital police letting them in.. Were there others there besides the Trump people?? I posted a link to where around 30 members of ANTIFA and BLM that were there dressed as Trump supporters.
              Maybe you and slave can get together and decide if they are all FBI undercover / antifa / BLM ... all in disguise.
              But at least you said it was wrong. No matter what, it was wrong.
              Maybe you missed that post.. The names of those identified were sent to the FBI where they most likely found their way into the waste basket.. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on.
              Once again, you and slave need to get together here. He says those arrested were anitfa / BLM ... and not trump supporters. So which is it ? Were any arrested or was that just your opinion they weren't ?
              I use to think you were intelligent enough to see through what the liberal media puts out there and evidently I was wrong.. Trump is gone but still living in your head.. Rent free..
              Maybe your not intelligent enough to see though the smoke screen of propaganda your side puts out everyday.
              So tell me, just in your state, which of these folks are BLM / anitfa ? Or are they just plain old supporters of insurrection and treason by following the baseless and unproven claims of a deranged and unstable cult leader ?

              Who they are: 27 Pennsylvania residents arrested for involvement in Capitol insurrection
              The FBI have arrested 27 people from throughout Pennsylvania since the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
              Names and charges listed in story.

              https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/...on/4331778001/

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              • #82
                Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                Maybe you and slave can get together and decide if they are all FBI undercover / antifa / BLM ... all in disguise.
                But at least you said it was wrong. No matter what, it was wrong.

                Once again, you and slave need to get together here. He says those arrested were anitfa / BLM ... and not trump supporters. So which is it ? Were any arrested or was that just your opinion they weren't ?


                Maybe your not intelligent enough to see though the smoke screen of propaganda your side puts out everyday.
                So tell me, just in your state, which of these folks are BLM / anitfa ? Or are they just plain old supporters of insurrection and treason by following the baseless and unproven claims of a deranged and unstable cult leader ?

                Who they are: 27 Pennsylvania residents arrested for involvement in Capitol insurrection


                Names and charges listed in story.

                https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/...on/4331778001/
                Are you serious?? I have posted aa article with the names of about 30 Antifa/BLM people that were in the capital on Jan 6th.. If you were paying attention you would have read it.. John Sullivan was arrested and released.. Then sold his film clips to CNN and MSNBC for like $150,000 .. He is on video in the middle of it charging the way.. Why did the capital police allow them to enter?? Why did Pelozi refuse to allow the National guard to be called in?? At Trumps phoney impeachment the democrats wanted witnesses during the Senate Hearings and the republicans said Okay .. They the GOPM said their first witness would be Nancy Pelozi and just like that the Democrats didn't want witnesses.. Wonder why?? Sometimes in life you have to look at both sides of a story.. But you only see things one sided..

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                • #83
                  Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                  Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                  Maybe you and slave can get together and decide if they are all FBI undercover / antifa / BLM ... all in disguise.
                  But at least you said it was wrong. No matter what, it was wrong.

                  Once again, you and slave need to get together here. He says those arrested were anitfa / BLM ... and not trump supporters. So which is it ? Were any arrested or was that just your opinion they weren't ?


                  Maybe your not intelligent enough to see though the smoke screen of propaganda your side puts out everyday.
                  So tell me, just in your state, which of these folks are BLM / anitfa ? Or are they just plain old supporters of insurrection and treason by following the baseless and unproven claims of a deranged and unstable cult leader ?

                  Who they are: 27 Pennsylvania residents arrested for involvement in Capitol insurrection


                  Names and charges listed in story.

                  https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2021/...on/4331778001/
                  Maybe the FBI should be going after the ANTIFA and BLM in Portland and other cities where they have been rioting since last summer.. About a billion dollars worth of damage and although some has been done to Federal Buildings most were small neighborhood businesses where people have had their lives destroyed and many within those were minority owned businesses.. Oh that's right they are the protesters of the left.. Nothing there ,move on.. What a joke this country is becoming..

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                  • #84
                    Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                    Originally posted by crazy View Post
                    Maybe the FBI should be going after the ANTIFA and BLM in Portland and other cities where they have been rioting since last summer.. About a billion dollars worth of damage and although some has been done to Federal Buildings most were small neighborhood businesses where people have had their lives destroyed and many within those were minority owned businesses.. Oh that's right they are the protesters of the left.. Nothing there ,move on.. What a joke this country is becoming..
                    Here’s a message from back in 2017 to all those loony leftists who were so upset when Trump won the presidency which… unsurprisingly… is no longer available today…

                    A Message to the Angry Leftists from an American Infantryman

                    I know you don’t know me. I know you don’t even think about me and when you do, it’s probably not anything nice. I’m the evil hegemonically masculine patriarchal oppressor to you feminists. I’m the jackbooted statist thug to you dope smokin’ long-haired hippies. I’m “The Man” to you racial activists. I’m the idiot who joined the military because I “wasn’t smart enough” to go get a liberal arts degree like you know-it-all 20-year-old college dipshits; and for some reason you hate me for that. I’m that guy with the rifle who signed on the dotted line for $24K a year so that you budding Marxist focksticks could have the freedom to complain about me and the manner in which I provide it. I have a little message for you.

                    I see you there, in Portland… In Chicago… In San Francisco… In Bum**** Directional School Liberal Arts College… You’re having your temper tantrums because ever since mommy dropped you off at Daycare 20 years ago you’ve been throwing them to get your way. Now you’re super pissed about the results of a presidential election where the other guy (and the only guy in the race for that matter) won.

                    I’m not here to talk politics, or explain the Electoral College, or to tell you what hypocritical douchebags you are for doing the things you’re doing. No. I have a much simpler conversation to have with you. See, I read what you post on Twitter, Facebook, and your various internet blogs. I see you on the news breaking things, setting fires, and assaulting people of the opposite political belief. I see you there with your fat ugly unshaven feminist women and black power slogan screaming race baiters, throwing rocks and bottles at the lines of police officers trying to keep order in your own cities. I know your rhetoric. I know all your identity politics stems from the Marxist activists and 'intellectuals' who have pushed the American left farther left than ever before. I know you believe your “progressive” views are the supreme moral authority on every single issue and somehow this perception allows you to justify your totalitarian social views and hypocritical violent outbursts. You profess to hate half this country for their alleged bigotry while carrying signs that say "Love Wins!”

                    I also know you’re a coward.

                    I know this because you keep screaming, and blogging, and protesting, and even rioting… but you won’t start this “uprising” you keep going on and on about. If you really believe that your cause is just, that the majority supports you, and that the United States needs to be overthrown to make way for your Progressive social utopia of sunshine and free shit… pick up a gun and start your revolution like every other communist group in history. See, I come from an organization that spent the better part of the last century training to fight a bunch of little commie heathens, and I have a pretty healthy respect for any Ivan who was willing to pick up an AK47 and parachute onto the continent ready to overthrow the USA. That takes some guts. You’re not like him though. You’re quite different actually. Ivan was in shape. You’re a bunch of ‘fat acceptance’ advocates who complain airline seats are too small for your 9,000 calories per day diet. Ivan was a proud masculine man. You have drag queens and fat feminist women with green hair. Ivan grew up mining coal and hunting wolves in the Urals. You want socialism because you’re upset that you can’t get a 6-figure job at age 24 with the bullshit arts degree you spent all that loan money on and haven’t done a day of physical labor in your life. Ivan was a veteran of Stalingrad, Afghanistan, and a dozen bush wars. You think “Call of Duty” is too violent and sexist. Ivan packed an AK47 and knew how to use it. Those among you leftists now who even have weapons ditch them after you rob the liquor store or 7/11 and go hide out at your aunt’s Section 8 housing. You don’t have the discipline Ivan did, at least he used the sights. Ivan killed jihadists by the thousands. You make excuses for them and want to invite them into our country.

                    You all have your reasons for hating America and whether or not I agree isn’t even relevant. I took an oath as did all of my brothers and sisters in uniform to defend this country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. I will always protect your rights to free speech and expression through lawful and civil protest whether or not your cause is something I believe in. However, you seem to believe revolution and violence are the answer now, and that makes you a domestic enemy of the United States I protect and serve. Do it and I’ll teach you how we make the fockin’ green grass grow. You keep saying you want a revolution, secession, a new Civil War and the election of “Racist/sexist/homophobic/Republican/Nazi/xenophobic/dictator/Islamophobic/rich guy asshole” Donald Trump is the catalyst for you to take action and destroy every evil you perceive this country to stand for…

                    Well… We’re waiting. Shit or get off the pot.

                    Iron Mike

                    https://www.gruntworks11b.com/war-ro...n-infantryman/

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                    • #85
                      Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                      Originally posted by crazy View Post
                      Are you serious?? I have posted aa article with the names of about 30 Antifa/BLM people that were in the capital on Jan 6th.. If you were paying attention you would have read it.. John Sullivan was arrested and released..
                      This is why I don't answer anymore. Spin constantly.
                      Your post #65.
                      Yes they are arresting them and many are being held without bail.. But not those from the left that were in the capital that day..
                      So which is it. Are they arresting them or not. Are they all BLM and anitfa ?
                      Then sold his film clips to CNN and MSNBC for like $150,000 ..
                      No way to prove, hearsay and speculation.
                      He is on video in the middle of it charging the way.. Why did the capital police allow them to enter??
                      Faced with hundreds, possibly thousands of angry insurrectionist traitors, armed with gas, clubs and possibly any number of other weapons ... what would you have done ? Gave your life like Officer Sicknick ?
                      Why did Pelozi refuse to allow the National guard to be called in??
                      Three of the Capitol security officials have resigned. I wonder why ? It would seem logical to me that the Capitol Police hierarchy are the ones to blame. They refused the help days before the coup attempt.
                      At Trumps phoney impeachment the democrats wanted witnesses during the Senate Hearings and the republicans said Okay .. They the GOPM said their first witness would be Nancy Pelozi and just like that the Democrats didn't want witnesses.. Wonder why?? Sometimes in life you have to look at both sides of a story.. But you only see things one sided..
                      One claims they are all BLM, anitfa or FBI informants because no true trump supporter would do that. Really ?
                      Just one look at the silly flag wearing dopey horn wearing fruitcakes tells me most are deranged. Oh yea, it's called trump derangement syndrome.

                      Spin away, as usual. No other answers forthcoming.

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                      • #86
                        Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                        Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                        This is why I don't answer anymore. Spin constantly.
                        Your post #65. So which is it. Are they arresting them or not. Are they all BLM and anitfa ? No way to prove, hearsay and speculation. Faced with hundreds, possibly thousands of angry insurrectionist traitors, armed with gas, clubs and possibly any number of other weapons ... what would you have done ? Gave your life like Officer Sicknick ?
                        Three of the Capitol security officials have resigned. I wonder why ? It would seem logical to me that the Capitol Police hierarchy are the ones to blame. They refused the help days before the coup attempt.


                        One claims they are all BLM, anitfa or FBI informants because no true trump supporter would do that. Really ?
                        Just one look at the silly flag wearing dopey horn wearing fruitcakes tells me most are deranged. Oh yea, it's called trump derangement syndrome.

                        Spin away, as usual. No other answers forthcoming.
                        Did you have a job keeping observers away from polls or driving a truck filled with Biden Ballots on November 3 in Philly?
                        Or did you have time to do both jobs?

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                        • #87
                          Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                          Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                          This is why I don't answer anymore. Spin constantly.
                          Now that there is an outright fib because that sure didn't stop you before when you were able to control the conversations... did it?

                          Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                          Faced with hundreds, possibly thousands of angry insurrectionist traitors, armed with gas, clubs and possibly any number of other weapons ... what would you have done ? Gave your life like Officer Sicknick
                          Now that's a good question... so what would you of done if you were around in anyone of those many cities involved in all of those 2020 riots? What would you have done when they came to your neighborhood raising hell when it came to protecting your family... would you of gave your life trying to protect them?

                          Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                          No way to prove, hearsay and speculation.
                          Is that what you say when it comes to all those 2020 riots too?

                          Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                          One claims they are all BLM, anitfa or FBI informants because no true trump supporter would do that. Really ?
                          That's what we can't through that thick skull of yours... there are lunatics on both sides... just like with everything else... but it's just that there are a whole hell of alot more in the democratic party in this day and time... something that you either don't realize because you fall into that category or you will never acknowledge and accept that fact because there's just no justifying it... let alone trying to explain it... that's why you refuse to answer all the replies concerning the 2020 riots.

                          Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                          Spin away, as usual. No other answers forthcoming.
                          Boy… that will really show him… lol

                          Did you get after reading Biden’s new immigration policy… “Invade away… no resistance forthcoming”

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                          • #88
                            Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                            Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                            This is why I don't answer anymore. Spin constantly.
                            Exactly what did I spin according to you?? Truth hurt??

                            Your post #65. So which is it. Are they arresting them or not. Are they all BLM and anitfa ? No way to prove, hearsay and speculation. Faced with hundreds, possibly thousands of angry insurrectionist traitors, armed with gas, clubs and possibly any number of other weapons ... what would you have done ? Gave your life like Officer Sicknick ?
                            Antifa? BLM activist was arrested and released ... He is on video cheering the rioters on inside the capital on Jan 6th wearing a Trump hat.. As far as the others?? I don't know if they were arrested or not but if they were not it just proves my point..

                            No way to prove, hearsay and speculation.
                            I will admit I got the figure wrong, It was more like $70000 in total from CNN, and NBC.. Here is one link for you ,read if you want ..

                            https://meaww.com/cnn-nbc-pay-insurr...rnet-reactions

                            Officer Sicknick ?
                            Yes sadly he lost his life that day due to a stroke that had something to due with pepper spray.. But those that attacked him that day should be held accountable

                            Three of the Capitol security officials have resigned. I wonder why ?

                            As far as the so called rioters entering the capital?? Although I can agree they should not have gone in but there are many videos of the capital police letting them in and waving them by the barricades.. You mention the three capital security guards resigning?? Did you even read any of the testimony that they provided before the Senate??I believe they all asked for help and they were denied and of course Pelozi does what she does best and blame them .. Most likely why the Democrats didn't want her to testify during the impeachment fiasco..

                            Spin away, as usual. No other answers forthcoming.
                            No spin here buddy.. Seems you don't want to know the truth.. So like normal you accuse me of spinning.. Something you and your buddy are very good at..
                            Last edited by crazy; 03-16-2021, 11:28 AM.

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                            • #89
                              Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                              Originally posted by fxstc07 View Post
                              Everyone involved January 6 was an extremist. All expressing and vowing support for tRump. Wearing garments and flags of their golden child.
                              If that's not an indication of radicalism, then storming our Capitol surely was.
                              Some here deny that.
                              Some blame it on others.

                              I'll bet Rome stands.
                              Send lawyers guns and money.



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                              • #90
                                Re: January 6th... Is it time for Pence to be Judge and Jury?

                                Originally posted by Docker View Post
                                It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All

                                On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15.

                                This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma. He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action. But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law. Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P. The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable authority to declare that the states in question have not conducted presidential elections. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states. Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1. Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.

                                If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.] "In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

                                Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

                                https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ld_at_all.html
                                Here is how Pelosi handles the same situation with certified results....she says she doesn't have to seat the Republican winner.
                                Spineless Pence.
                                Hypocrite Pelosi and EVERYBODY else on media on January 6th situation.
                                https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/25/n...n-winner-iowa/
                                From just yesterday March 25, 2021.
                                Pelosi Argues She Has A Right Not To Seat Certified Election Winner In Iowa


                                Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said Thursday it was within her “right” not to seat the certified election winner in Iowa.
                                Republican Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks of Iowa won the seat in November 2020, defeating the Democratic candidate Rita Hart by a mere six votes, as previously reported. Hart requested a recount, and one was fully provided with bipartisan support. The election was officially certified by the Iowa State Board of Canvassers, stating Miller-Meeks received a total of 196,964, and Hart a total of 196,958, according to the report.

                                “If I wanted to be unfair, I wouldn’t have seated the Republican from Iowa because that was my right on the opening day. I would have just said, you’re not seated, and that would have been my right as Speaker to do so,” Pelosi said on Wednesday.

                                In a March 14 interview, ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos asked the Speaker, “Why investigate an election that was certified by the state?”

                                Pence would have been in his rights to not certify on January 6 also.

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