for those that don't get it

[Sayheykid]

Re: for those that don't get it

Yes it is a lot of typing… and time consuming too seeing I’m a one finger typist.

I know exactly what you mean about the vaccines. Right now… sure they’re voluntary and that’s because they think they have most people scared enough to take it on their own free will but if they see there aren’t enough people volunteering to get it… they will then start making it a requirement for such things like traveling by air which they are even now talking about starting next year. Then it will be making a requirement for certain jobs and so on until they reach the figure their goal.

As far as the taxpayer picking up the tab… I believe that wholeheartedly because that’s a given when it comes to any of the government’s endeavors.

And as far as the far left idiots and their socialism is concerned… IMO… they would jump right to communism if they could but the deceitful moderate left is at least smart enough to know that most Americans won’t accept that at all this day and age so they want to use it as a stepping stone and gradually ease to communism. The way I figure it… give the schools and colleges another decade to brainwash the youth along with many of older citizens who pass away in that same time period… the nation will be ripe for the picking.

I could be wrong but I recall that everyone made fun of the liberals back when I was young… but today… it seems to me that their running the country and the conservatives are considered nothing but racists and deplorables which should be hated and ostracized. From the Woodstock to Washington in 50 years so I guess the term flower child is no longer applicable… no wonder I haven’t heard it mentioned in decades and the work ethic has gone to hell.

The type of Socialism that you want is "Democratic Socialism" it's mainly Health care and education..and not taking over business....all thou I think a National Bank wouldn't hurt a bank for the people by the people

[Docker]

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The type of Socialism that you want is "Democratic Socialism" it's mainly Health care and education..and not taking over business....all thou I think a National Bank wouldn't hurt a bank for the people by the people

Excuse me... the type of socialism I want? Just where did you get the impression I was for any kind of socialism?

[wizard]

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If you don't accept the Corporate media and Government narrative in this country,you are a conspiracy theorist....If you use critical thinking to seek the truth,you are a conspiracy theorist....If you use common sense to determine what you are prepared to accept, you are a conspiracy theorist... Unfortunately, there are far to many citizens in this country that 'accept' the BS corporate narrative and agenda as truth,which I cannot see changing in the near future.....

"Let me control the media,and I will turn any Nation into a herd of Pigs"
Joseph Gobbles.....Hitler's Propaganda Minister.....

[Sayheykid]

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Excuse me... the type of socialism I want? Just where did you get the impression I was for any kind of socialism?

It's all around you public schools..police, fire departments...public roads I could go on and on...

[Docker]

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It's all around you public schools..police, fire departments...public roads I could go on and on...

You said that the type of Socialism that I want is "Democratic Socialism" ... no... I do not want that so called "Democratic Socialism" for anything these days. IMO... there's no such thing as democratic socialsim these days. The democrats have been taken over and now controlled by the liberals which... first want to turn this country into a complete socialist society which would eventually end up with the United States being another communist country. Socialism is just a stone's throw away from communism and if the democrat party of today is involved in any way... shape or form... you can bet your ass that communisn is dead ahead.

That so called "Democratic Socialism" these days when it comes to health care is referred to "Medicare for All" ... so no... I sure as hell don't want any parts of that so called "Democratic Socialism". Like I said... IMO... the democratic party of today doesn't even remotely resemble that party decades ago... it's nothing but a corrupt and deceiful shell of it's former self. As soon as I realized that decades ago... I ran... not walked as fast as I could from that party and changed to an Independant.

[crazy]

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You said that the type of Socialism that I want is "Democratic Socialism" ... no... I do not want that so called "Democratic Socialism" for anything these days. IMO... there's no such thing as democratic socialsim these days. The democrats have been taken over and now controlled by the liberals which... first want to turn this country into a complete socialist society which would eventually end up with the United States being another communist country. Socialism is just a stone's throw away from communism and if the democrat party of today is involved in any way... shape or form... you can bet your ass that communisn is dead ahead.

That so called "Democratic Socialism" these days when it comes to health care is referred to "Medicare for All" ... so no... I sure as hell don't want any parts of that so called "Democratic Socialism". Like I said... IMO... the democratic party of today doesn't even remotely resemble that party decades ago... it's nothing but a corrupt and deceiful shell of it's former self. As soon as I realized that decades ago... I ran... not walked as fast as I could from that party and changed to an Independant.

That is how the left describes democratic socialism.. I have a neighbor who escaped the Czech Republic in the 1960's.. They took everything from his family.. after talking to him I want no part of socialism in any form..

[Docker]

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That is how the left describes democratic socialism.. I have a neighbor who escaped the Czech Republic in the 1960's.. They took everything from his family.. after talking to him I want no part of socialism in any form..

That's the left for you... I think that many on the left think that if you add the word democrat in front of socialism that it makes it as pure as the driven snow. But for me... it's the same as adding the word sandwich to the word shit... you still end up with shit.

[Sayheykid]

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That's the left for you... I think that many on the left think that if you add the word democrat in front of socialism that it makes it as pure as the driven snow. But for me... it's the same as adding the word sandwich to the word shit... you still end up with shit.

As I have said Socialism is all around you I guess you must be blind..have to be not to see it...but don't worry pure Capitalism is coming.....because Austerity is coming the rich will buy everything the state has to sell....maybe even the roads you drive on..the sidewalk?

[Sayheykid]

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That is how the left describes democratic socialism.. I have a neighbor who escaped the Czech Republic in the 1960's.. They took everything from his family.. after talking to him I want no part of socialism in any form..

And during this so call "Pandemic" those who lost their jobs and healthcare and their bank account (saving if they had one)..while the rich get richer....it wasn't plan by the poor or working class..they are not benefiting from it are they?

[wizard]

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That's the left for you... I think that many on the left think that if you add the word democrat in front of socialism that it makes it as pure as the driven snow. But for me... it's the same as adding the word sandwich to the word shit... you still end up with shit.

I can understand your ambiguity Docker,I most certainly can,but Democratic socialists at their best recognize what capitalists do not...That we all share some common interests,a range of common interests as a matter of fact,not that we're all alike or that we need exactly the same things...That to live we all need,and have a right to,clean water,clean air,a safe food supply,safe and reliable infrastructure,good and affordable education,good and affordable healthcare,reasonable housing costs,good Union jobs with pay and benefits that go with it,end to the blood and treasure of forever wars...those kind of things...

Most democratic socialists,including myself,are not seeking to abolish capitalism,but rather to restrain it's worst and most destructive excesses...

The democratic socialists I find most valuable as political leaders are the ones who recognize and assert that individual freedom is best enhanced by a balance between private and public power,a balance where neither can grow to the point of dominating the other,but where each is allowed to foster the things that allow for the possibility of good,constructive,healthy and happy lives for ALL working class Americans...

As I've stated,I see myself as a democratic socialist(pro-worker),most definitely not a liberal,and have lost all respect for much of the organized left,especially the 'woke' types frantically trying to pin their credentials to 'identity politics',having abandoned the whole idea of 'economic justice' for ALL working class Americans...There are so many stereotypes,I'm so sick of it,especially when so many are manifestly ridiculous...

WE,as 'Working Class Americans',have to stick to OUR principles,and find 'common ground' there,rather than identifying with any political group,there is nothing so powerful as an idea whose 'time' has come,and if that idea is not 'economic justice' for ALL working class Americans,then what the hell is left?...

The one obvious and over-riding knowledge in which the left AND right can find 'common ground' is the ''fact'' that the elite on ALL sides are ''screwing'' the average working class American...That common ground is sufficient,and when it's established sufficiently to create that new social and economic order that puts those scumbag greed-driven 'ELITES' in their place,we can snipe at each other to our hearts content about every other issue under the sun....

[Docker]

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As I have said Socialism is all around you I guess you must be blind..have to be not to see it...but don't worry pure Capitalism is coming.....because Austerity is coming the rich will buy everything the state has to sell....maybe even the roads you drive on..the sidewalk?

Anyone can see that that we have some forms of socialism all around… which is the obvious result of having a bipartisan government. So it’s just a form of socialism and not this so called “democratic socialism” you like to call it when you tried telling me that’s what I want. You may think that adding the word democratic to a term makes it a godsend but I do not. After all… there’s a reason why the word democracy doesn’t appear in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Pure capitalism is coming… are you serious? Since when does socialism lead to capitalism and not communism? In case you haven’t been paying attention… we’re heading left… not right.

You talk about being blind and talking about those forms of socialism being all around when you said that… “pure capitalism is coming because austerity is coming and the rich will buy everything the state has to sell....maybe even the roads you drive on”. That has been going on for over a decade because our toll roads have been being bought by foreign-owned companies since 2006. So yes… we have been paying foreign entities to drive on our own roads for over a decade so where have you been? Our government has been selling us out for over a decade now. There’s nearly 30 million acres of U.S. farmland that are held by foreign investors… and on and on so just who is the blind one here?

I’m sorry to inform you… that’s not capitalism… that’s oligarchy and far left on the spectrum. As a matter of fact… that’s headed in the direction of us being a colony… which is exactly what America was when we were under British rule.

Like they say… we will be destroyed from within and it sure in the hell won’t be destroyed by capitalism.

[Docker]

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I can understand your ambiguity Docker,I most certainly can,but Democratic socialists at their best recognize what capitalists do not...That we all share some common interests,a range of common interests as a matter of fact,not that we're all alike or that we need exactly the same things...That to live we all need,and have a right to,clean water,clean air,a safe food supply,safe and reliable infrastructure,good and affordable education,good and affordable healthcare,reasonable housing costs,good Union jobs with pay and benefits that go with it,end to the blood and treasure of forever wars...those kind of things...

Most democratic socialists,including myself,are not seeking to abolish capitalism,but rather to restrain it's worst and most destructive excesses...

The democratic socialists I find most valuable as political leaders are the ones who recognize and assert that individual freedom is best enhanced by a balance between private and public power,a balance where neither can grow to the point of dominating the other,but where each is allowed to foster the things that allow for the possibility of good,constructive,healthy and happy lives for ALL working class Americans...

As I've stated,I see myself as a democratic socialist(pro-worker),most definitely not a liberal,and have lost all respect for much of the organized left,especially the 'woke' types frantically trying to pin their credentials to 'identity politics',having abandoned the whole idea of 'economic justice' for ALL working class Americans...There are so many stereotypes,I'm so sick of it,especially when so many are manifestly ridiculous...

WE,as 'Working Class Americans',have to stick to OUR principles,and find 'common ground' there,rather than identifying with any political group,there is nothing so powerful as an idea whose 'time' has come,and if that idea is not 'economic justice' for ALL working class Americans,then what the hell is left?...

The one obvious and over-riding knowledge in which the left AND right can find 'common ground' is the ''fact'' that the elite on ALL sides are ''screwing'' the average working class American...That common ground is sufficient,and when it's established sufficiently to create that new social and economic order that puts those scumbag greed-driven 'ELITES' in their place,we can snipe at each other to our hearts content about every other issue under the sun....

Nice post... I agree with your philosophy and ideology Wizard and I believe some of the founding fathers also believed that a mixture of socialism and capitalism was needed for a stable society which in all honesty... so do I. That's why they felt the need for having a checks and balances system.

The problem today is that I really believe that the liberals have taken over complete control of the democratic party and headed for full blown socialist society which will eventually end up with us being another communist country. I also believe that the moderate democrats are a dying breed and being replaced only by younger full blown liberals. Ending up on the far left will be be just as catastrophic as ending up on the far right which the Constitution puts us in the middle where the founding fathers wanted us to be. That's why I'm a Constitutionalist at heart and the adherence to a strict reading of the Constitution which IMO... is violated on a daily basis which will end up in a full blown oligarchy... which we are on it's doorstep right now.

[Sayheykid]

Re: for those that don't get it

Anyone can see that that we have some forms of socialism all around… which is the obvious result of having a bipartisan government. So it’s just a form of socialism and not this so called “democratic socialism” you like to call it when you tried telling me that’s what I want. You may think that adding the word democratic to a term makes it a godsend but I do not. After all… there’s a reason why the word democracy doesn’t appear in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Pure capitalism is coming… are you serious? Since when does socialism lead to capitalism and not communism? In case you haven’t been paying attention… we’re heading left… not right.

You talk about being blind and talking about those forms of socialism being all around when you said that… “pure capitalism is coming because austerity is coming and the rich will buy everything the state has to sell....maybe even the roads you drive on”. That has been going on for over a decade because our toll roads have been being bought by foreign-owned companies since 2006. So yes… we have been paying foreign entities to drive on our own roads for over a decade so where have you been? Our government has been selling us out for over a decade now. There’s nearly 30 million acres of U.S. farmland that are held by foreign investors… and on and on so just who is the blind one here?

I’m sorry to inform you… that’s not capitalism… that’s oligarchy and far left on the spectrum. As a matter of fact… that’s headed in the direction of us being a colony… which is exactly what America was when we were under British rule.

Like they say… we will be destroyed from within and it sure in the hell won’t be destroyed by capitalism.

So what is Capitalism...if some thing is "For Sale" anyone can buy it, can't they? To say some one from a different Country can not buy it is not "Free Market" which Capitalism is suppose to be (open markets for all) and a Democratic Socialism is a mix af Capitalism and Socialism something like we have today...some say many of the Scandinavia Counties have it and all have a higher standard of living than America....


As for the Constitution it may not what you think it is,Oh the power of the press (Propaganda)

https://newrepublic.com/article/1373...ers-power-grab


" The Constitution, according to the economic interpretation, was the 1 percent’s revenge, a countermeasure designed to undermine the democratic governments in the states, thereby returning power to wealthy elites and insulating them from popular opinion."


"Nonetheless, the Anti-Federalists were correct that one effect of the Constitution would be the “transfer of power from the many to the few.” And not everyone among the “many” was willing to accept it."

[crazy]

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Nice post... I agree with your philosophy and ideology Wizard and I believe some of the founding fathers also believed that a mixture of socialism and capitalism was needed for a stable society which in all honesty... so do I. That's why they felt the need for having a checks and balances system.

The problem today is that I really believe that the liberals have taken over complete control of the democratic party and headed for full blown socialist society which will eventually end up with us being another communist country. I also believe that the moderate democrats are a dying breed and being replaced only by younger full blown liberals. Ending up on the far left will be be just as catastrophic as ending up on the far right which the Constitution puts us in the middle where the founding fathers wanted us to be. That's why I'm a Constitutionalist at heart and the adherence to a strict reading of the Constitution which IMO... is violated on a daily basis which will end up in a full blown oligarchy... which we are on it's doorstep right now.

You have plenty of Liberals that are center left so to speak. And then you have the far left liberals or as others call them the Democratic socialists.. That is the group that has taken over the Democratic party.. I read a few months back where some right leaning political think tank even came out that it is time for the GOP to start recognizing organized labor and to work with them because the Democrat's for the most part have abandoned the working class people in this country.. How far it goes I really don't know but I will try to see if I can find the article...And I believe that in today's political climate that JFK would be a moderate Republican..

[Docker]

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So what is Capitalism...if some thing is "For Sale" anyone can buy it, can't they? To say some one from a different Country can not buy it is not "Free Market" which Capitalism is suppose to be (open markets for all) and a Democratic Socialism is a mix af Capitalism and Socialism something like we have today...some say many of the Scandinavia Counties have it and all have a higher standard of living than America....

As for the Constitution it may not what you think it is,Oh the power of the press (Propaganda)

https://newrepublic.com/article/1373...ers-power-grab

" The Constitution, according to the economic interpretation, was the 1 percent’s revenge, a countermeasure designed to undermine the democratic governments in the states, thereby returning power to wealthy elites and insulating them from popular opinion."

"Nonetheless, the Anti-Federalists were correct that one effect of the Constitution would be the “transfer of power from the many to the few.” And not everyone among the “many” was willing to accept it."

As for the Constitution it may not what you think it is,Oh the power of the press (Propaganda)[/QUOTE]



https://newrepublic.com/article/137310/founding-fathers-power-grab[/url]


LOL...here you are talking about propaganda and the press and throw this bias liberal BS at me...you just made my day. Well right back out you...

The New Republic Is Sold - Sold Feb. 2016... article written in Sept. 2016

Mr. McCormack will appoint Hamilton Fish, the publisher of The Washington Spectator and a former publisher of The Nation, to be publisher and editorial director, The New Republic said.

Mr. Hughes, a Facebook founder whose tenure at the magazine was marked by turmoil, including the resignations of multiple employees protesting his decision to replace its top editor, signaled an intention to sell last month. Mr. McCormack’s and Mr. Fish’s backgrounds in journalism and progressive politics, he said, “make them uniquely qualified to lead such a historic institution. I look forward to watching their progress over the years to come.”

The Washington Spectator is a nonprofit liberal publication that, its website says, reports “on the excesses of the public and private sectors that distort our politics and undermine democracy.’’


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/b...c-is-sold.html

And check out who printed it... the bias left New York Times themselves. You would be better off reading the comics when it comes to learning about the Constitution than The New Republic or even the The Babylon Bee!

Since you stuck your foot in that ignorant mouth again... suppose you tell me what I think the Constitution is? You and that condescending attidude will get you in trouble one of these days. So tell me... what do I think about the Constitution is wrong and what propaganda is the press spewing out? And how about not copping out and ignoring it either... I get that enough from other members.

The Federalist Party was the first political party in the United States followed by the (Anti-Federalists) which came to be called the Democratic-Republican Party which was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Tell me… which party is now to be considered the Democratic Party and which one is now considered to be the Republican Party? Now… tell me who is considered to have founded socialism and when was it brought to America? After you tell me those answers... I'll just see how much you know when it comes to the press and it's propaganda.

IMO… there’s no such thing as democratic socialism… it’s just socialism… pure and simple. Some moderate democrats may think of themselves as “democratic socialists” because they pick and choose which socialist programs to follow… you know the ones that call it democratic socialism… I do not. I call it nothing but moderate democrats liking some forms of socialism and trying to work it into the system which I personally don’t have a problem with. I also believe that our founders didn’t either which brings us to the Constitution… and the checks and balances system.

You keep trying to say that the self proclaimed “democratic socialists” are the only ones that believe in a mix between the two…. that… IMO… is incorrect. Or are you going to try telling me that all the Republican Teamsters won’t accept some forms of socialism too… after all… it’s well known by many that labor unions are a form of socialism but you don’t see them running around calling themselves “republican socialists”… do you? I’ll tell you why I think you do… because it makes it mighty convenient when it comes to making it look like the so called “democratic socialists” are moderate left and making it look like all republicans are all far right. You know there are moderate republicans… so why don’t you recognize them as such because you evidently don’t… or you wouldn’t think they were for pure capitalism.

I also don’t think we should be worrying about the Scandinavian Countries right now… I think the citizens should all be concerned about our corrupt Congress when it comes to catering to China again right now. They took advantage of us for decades… until Trump came along and was in the process of straightening that out… but now… if Biden gets in… game over. They ruined our economy with the virus with the left’s help… at the same time it’s not considered politically correct to call it the Wuhan virus and now the Chinese economy is set to overtake the U.S. faster than previously anticipated after weathering the Wuhan virus pandemic. Why aren’t the citizens demanding China take responsibility?

And what was our Congress doing… just passed a $2.3 trillion bill giving out massive amounts of foreign aid to other countries… the left’s pet projects… giving free money to the illegals and throwing nothing but table scraps to the citizens. So you see… that’s where I’m focusing at the moment… not Scandinavia Counties having a higher standard of living than America.

Tell me... what does The New Republic say about that... lol